View source for AMO:Meeting Notes/Archive Oct-Dec 2009


== December 23, 2009 ==
* No meeting this week due to holidays

== December 16, 2009 ==
==== Development ====
* 5.5 freeze is January 5th
* Roundtable status update
** L10n dashboard: [https://bug531883.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=417901 current status screen shot] --[[User:Wenzel|wenzel]]
** Editors tools: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533033 the re-design] is still being finalized, but I've started on the layout. --mccammos

==== QA ====

==== Product ====

==== Developer Relations ====

==== Community ====

==== Marketing ====

==== Other ====

== December 9 (All-hands!)  ==
==== Development ====
* order of operations
* random plan stuff
* <3

==== QA ====
* We're working on verifying the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526077 channels bug]
** Other than that, 5.4 looks good

==== Product ====
* A list of area rewrite priorities will be helpful in planning product changes

==== Developer Relations ====
* Working on binary reviews.
* Appcoast contractors back this week. Yay!
* Java Console Uninstaller: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533559
* Jorge away all of next week.

==== Community ====

==== Marketing ====
* Firefox Gear renaming

==== Other ====

== December 2  ==
http://z.jbalogh.me/sideshow_bob.jpg

==== Development ====
* 5.4 is gonna be hot
* 5.5 is gonna be hotter.  Everyone should know what they are doing.
* clouserw should be around all break so ask questions if you want ideas, feedback, etc.

==== QA ====
* 18 resolved bugs in QA's queue.
* Need assistance from webdev in verifying a few bugs.
* 5.4 on track for 12/8 release.

==== Product ====
* Still working on plan for Developer Tools revamp

==== Developer Relations ====
* AMO Editor Meeting last Saturday. [https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Editors/MeetingNotes#November_28 Meeting Notes].
** 11 new bugs filed. Mostly improvements to editor tools. Notably, we noticed the lack of a password policy on AMO. [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531868 Bug 531868].
** Working on rewriting the [https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Editors AMO Editors Wiki].
* Removed trusted status to about 50% of trusted add-ons. A few complains here and [http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2009/11/26/Grrrr there], but in general authors understood the decision.
** Kaply suggested changing "trusted" to something else, because "trusted" sounds too personal. I'd like to start calling them "Instant update" add-ons, so that it doesn't say more than what it is.
** Add-ons that are still trusted will need reviews every now and then. I reviewed a few of them with the help of some editors, and I'll be messaging the authors about changes they need to implement.

==== Community ====
* Pre-Add-on-Con workshop next week!
* Add-on-Con next week!

==== Marketing ====
* The project formerly known as Firefox Gear will launch in early January.
* Extend Firefox winners announced and working on prize distribution now

==== Other ====
* All-hands next week!

== November 25th  ==
http://i.fligtar.com/babylogh.jpg
====Development====
* In case you missed the email, AMO images are available at khan:/data/remora-images/
* What are you doing for 5.5?
** jbalogh: zamboni, 
** wenzel: l10n dashboard, 
** clouserw: finish bug triage (~210 bugs left), write phppo2pypo and vice versa, look into workflow for gearman, work w/ wenzel to figure out l10n tagging
** davedash: Setting up Hudson with Shyam, then zamboni, 
** mccammos: will work with clouserw.  New stats graphs/frontend?

==== QA ====

==== Product ====
* Working on getting to 70% compatibility by RC1
** Java Console extensions
** Working on CoolIris, Web Developer, etc

==== Developer Relations ====
* Unfortunate disclosure of [http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8527 insecure add-ons]. Not really a "zero-day" threat as advertised.
* 2 very encouraging posts by Wladimir Palant: [http://adblockplus.org/blog/amo-getting-serious-about-add-on-security AMO getting serious about add-on security] and [http://adblockplus.org/blog/extension-conflicts-2009-edition Extension conflicts, 2009 edition]
* Reducing trusted add-on count down to ~50%.
* Working with Mario on Java Console uninstaller.
* [https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Editors/MeetingNotes AMO Editor conference call] next Saturday. Only Nick is in the US, and he's exempt from attending :)

==== Community ====
* Extend Firefox 3.5 judging complete, announcement today

==== Marketing ====
* Our marketing candidate declined, the search continues...
* Firefox Gear now owned by Fligtar, he will own content and release

== November 18th  ==
[[Image:Amo-bug-count-2009-11.png|300px|AMO Bug count]]
*Largest open bug count drop in AMO history!

==== Development ====
* Onsite was good times.  We made a lot of big decisions, 2010 will be exciting.
* We triaged/closed several hundred bugs, thanks to everyone who helped.  If you want to continue I've made a query [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=AMONeedsTriage&sharer_id=177149 AMONeedsTriage].  A bug is considered triaged if it has a severity, priority, and milestone.
* 5.3 went out, thanks everyone
* 5.4 scheduled to freeze on the 26th, we're looking good so far
* [http://micropipes.com/blog/2009/11/17/amo-development-changes-in-2010/ summary and public post of our 2010 dev ambitions]

==== QA ====
* Would support a Thursday push of our already-verified 5.4 bugs

==== Product ====
* staring at graphs
* Add-on Compatibility Reporter emails sent last night - [http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/11/18/thanks-for-the-compatibility-reports/ blog post]
** 1262 3.6-incompatible add-ons
*** 24 add-ons with compatibility problems
*** 105 add-ons that probably work fine
*** 321 add-ons with mixed reports
*** 830 without enough reports
** 445 compatible add-ons
** 321 add-ons not listed on AMO

==== Developer Relations ====
* The queues are looking real good, under 50% of how they were 2 months ago. [http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/11/13/burning-down-the-add-on-review-queues/ Blog post on this].
* Massive bug triage. There are several old bugs assigned to Rey that still need to be reassigned and hopefully resolved.
* Last cases of Gmail in German bug need to be resolved, and a new audit needs to be done for all add-ons with trusted status. Hooray for lists.

==== Community ====
* Extend Firefox 3.5 first round of judging complete, waiting on responses from judges

==== Marketing ====

==== Other ====
The reasons given in this post show the ineffectiveness of the AMO development team.

I worked at Yahoo and I’ve used different Java and PHP frameworks in the past, some good, some bad. However, that never stopped us from having a continuous build running locally and an integration build running on our server, or from unit testing our code, even though we had to extend and adapt some components and unit testing frameworks. The same with debugging, it never stopped us from creating awesome tools to debug our code and monitor the performance of our applications.

After finishing building a CMS using Django, I can only say one thing: A framework doesn't make you a better programmer. [http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=948333 If you suck, you suck.]

== November 4th  ==
[[Image:ryanbox.jpg|400px|ryan in a box!]]

==== Development ====
* Missed code freeze on 11/3, Rescheduled for 11/5.
* Launch scheduled for 11/12
* Bug tracking with no grand conclusions (clouserw)

==== QA ====

==== Product ====
* Download sources update
* Policy updates
* Mobile challenge update
* [http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad7mAOXgEBZyZGRzNnZ3YjRfMmc4ZGd3c2Mz&hl=en Release Channels Spec]

==== Developer Relations ====
* 3.6 Beta 1 is out. Add-on developers were notified via e-mail, [http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/10/30/time-to-update-your-add-ons-for-3-6/ blog post] and [https://forums.addons.mozilla.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=93 forums].
* Appcoast editors are working on the queues and gaining momentum. The update queue is looking much better.
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513252 "Gmail in German"] add-on list reduced to 46 add-ons + ~10 Personas. Looking into possible solutions, including disabling them.

==== Community ====

==== Marketing ====
* [http://wpstage.focalcurve.com Firefox Gear Staging]

==== Other ====
* Should we switch our 2009 pre-mortem and our 2010 planning meeting so we can take advantage of what we learned in 2009 to plan 2010? (clouserw)
* If a new contributor is looking for something to do, share the "good first bug" list: http://bit.ly/t58if .  Feel free to tag similar bugs, but when you do add a comment that says why.

http://reocities.com/SouthBeach/2213/images/starbar.gif

== October 28  ==

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==== Development ====
* 5.3 status

==== QA ====

==== Product ====
* ACR launched last week
* Download sources cool but blocked on metrics

==== Developer Relations ====
* Firefox 3.6 Beta 1 will be released today! Maybe! Posted on [https://forums.addons.mozilla.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93 forum], and will send e-mail and post on blog on release day.
* Reliable add-ons feature is now detailed into a spec. [http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARYIQk822ZJkZGN4dzN3NWtfMjZmODV3czNmdg&hl=en&pli=1 Google Doc].
* New hired editors from Appcoast.

==== Community ====
* MV meetup recap

==== Marketing ====

==== Other ====
* AMO on-site [https://intranet.mozilla.org/AMO/On-site/2009Q4/Schedule tentative schedule] up
* AMO v4
** [http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tDHAtP3Q0oouv5fDED7Rt9g&hl=en AMO v4 Framework Comparison]

== October 21  ==
==== Development ====
* 5.3 status
* Bug priorities
* Please fill out [http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tDHAtP3Q0oouv5fDED7Rt9g&hl=en AMO v4 Framework Comparison] prior to next week's meeting if you are interested in the discussion
* domain for static content.  static.mozilla.net?

==== QA ====

==== Product ====
* 5.2 launched! Personas blog today; stats blog later in the week
* ACR launch today maybe
* Stub entries bugs missing copy/layout will be updated today
* Plugins page revamp
* domain for [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523249 redirect service]

==== Developer Relations ====
* Will send the email on 3.6 compatibility today or tomorrow.
* The Review Redesign Proposal will be formalized into a spec for implementation.
* Add-on and review spam.

==== Community ====
* MV Meetup rescheduled for Tuesday - [http://www.meetup.com/addons/calendar/11663429/ RSVP!]
* Conduit re-introduced

==== Marketing ====

==== Other ====
* AMO v4 discussion will take place in next week's meeting
* 5.2 launch had empty/somewhat broken pages dues to memcache & zeus. Can we avoid that in the future?

== October 14  ==
==== Development ====
* 5.2 status

==== Product ====
* Add-on Compatibility Reporter

==== Developer Relations ====
* There's a new category of misbehaving add-ons that will require a validation in the code checking tool to prevent more popping up.
* Developer communication for 3.6 launch.
* Begin discussion on implementing Review Process Redesign.

==== Community ====
* MV Meetup canceled due to weather; will reschedule soon

==== Marketing ====
* Collections tracking
** http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Arf3nByedulrdGhGcHNyTHJTN0ZsMFd5M0U5S0NRZ1E&hl=en
* Firefox Gear

==== Other ====

== October 7  ==
==== Development ====
* 5.2 status

==== Product ====
* Working on 5.3 specs
* AMO licensing
* Lots of random errors on AMO lately?

==== Developer Relations ====
* Jorge is flying back from MozCamp Chile today, can't attend the meeting.
* The Hispanic community is very interested in organizing more developer-centric meet-ups. There's already a plan for a MAOW (or similar) in Perú on November 14th, and something probably bigger on Q1 2010.
* Jorge will blog about many add-on related ideas that came up during the talks.
* There's a big need for admins to work on the super-reviews. Jorge will be doing this late this week and early next week. Could use some help, though.
* The old daily reporting system has been disabled and the weekly reports are still being generated and sent manually. Jorge will implement the script for the new reports next week.

==== Community ====
* Bay Area Add-ons Meetup Group -- first meetup at Mozilla on Tuesday, 7pm. [http://www.meetup.com/addons RSVP!]
* October Recommended rotation in progress

==== Marketing ====
* Updated collections tracking data
** http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Arf3nByedulrdGhGcHNyTHJTN0ZsMFd5M0U5S0NRZ1E&hl=en
** [https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/d/de/Collections_Tr.png Graph]

* Firefox Gear update
** Mocks final - prototype: http://people.mozilla.org/~chowse/drop/firefox_gear/v2/
** Moving to development
** Continuing to develop content

==== Other ====
* AMO on-site week of November 9. Book travel and add yourself to the [https://intranet.mozilla.org/AMO/On-site/2009Q4 wiki] (even if you're local). Also, add your ideas to the [https://intranet.mozilla.org/AMO/On-site/2009Q4/Schedule schedule]