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[[Kubla]] &raquo; Meeting Notepad


== Oct 23, 2007 ==
* Attendees: morgamic, clouserw, oremj
* [[User:Clouserw|Clouserw]] felt the project was moving in a direction that was going to be good for a small subset of people, but not for the majority, and so put the brakes on the launch.  Specifically, using the database to store nodes, aside from being a pain (check out the bugs), it also means:
** Code is not available to the public
** We can't use the huge amount of tools out there (find, grep, etc.)
** Creating many files/directories at the same time is a pain (we make about 150 new files for every firefox release)
** The code is less mobile (I can't check out a copy somewhere and just start working)
** We lose the simple directory structure the current code has (drupal doesn't have a concept of directories other than URL aliases)
** We lose the SVN training that Pascal has been going through with localizers
** We have to modify core drupal code (bug 397540, maybe others)
** Drupal is hella slow (and I don't like saying hella!)
** Drupal opens up new security problems (I got six new security announcements on the drupal mailing list last week)

So, the plan:

* Current mozilla.com
** Essentially remains unchanged (continues to be the production tag in SVN)
** /press/ pages will be handled inside of drupal, we'll need a way to integrate the two

* Current Kubla:
** Write an interface to view a file system (check for something that exists)
** Write an interface to edit flat files
** Write any svn interface stuff we need - look at PEAR's VersionControl_SVN

One of the main problems with using SVN as a backend in our current products is speed - SVN is ridiculously slow.  I think this might make fix our problems in this area, but input would be awesome:

* Create SVN post commit hook script
** Script will ping back to kubla on update script (details below)

* Kubla's update script
** Will accept file paths that have been updated in SVN
** Will `svn up` those paths (upping the individual paths should be pretty quick...I hope)

* When user wants to create a new file:
* When user wants to edit a file:
** User clicks "edit" or "create" on file
** Give user a textarea where they can input changes.
** User clicks save
** Kubla checks for an svn lock in .svn.  If the lock exists, prompt user to retry later; exit.  If the lock is over $x seconds old, watchdog() it.
** If no lock exists, save changes to disk
** `svn commit` the file with appropriate message


* New Questions:
** How will updates be managed on mozilla.com? (oremj)
*** Either `svn up` on a cron job, or another post-commit hook to update the live site off the production tag.
** How will we sync SVN and Drupal permissions? (oremj)
*** SVN currently grants permissions for localizers to /locale/.  Kubla can have more specific perms, but there won't be much syncage.  Moving an account from localizer->admin will require a bug.
** How will we be able to make new accounts? (oremj)
*** We'll have to have a special form in Kubla that files an IT bug.  Since people have to get r+ and potentially fill out agreements, this isn't a terrible thing.  It's also a good papertrail.

== Sep 10, 2007 ==
* Current timeline says live on moz.com in 2 weeks! (omg)
* new wiki page for [[Kubla:Documentation|Documentation]]
* Triage [http://tinyurl.com/2msyn2 bugs]
* next meeting?

== Sep 4, 2007 ==

* new wiki page for [[Kubla:Deployment]]

* Questions
** How does a reviewer know when a new version of a page exists?
*** '''New review queue getting committed soon.'''  Click "Workspace" then "Review Queue"

* '''[[User:Clouserw|clouserw]] to write some documentation/definitions''' 
* '''[[User:Clouserw|clouserw]] to test locale_access'''

* Triage [http://tinyurl.com/2msyn2 bugs]
** How do we want to split these up?
*** Need to implement Bugzilla::RandomAssignment - new project for Reed?

* '''[[User:Clouserw|clouserw]] to file bugs from the [[User:Clouserw/CMS:ToDoThat|Outdated ToDoThat page]] and the last of his notes'''

* Next Meeting
** '''Sep 11th, 2pm'''

== Aug 23, 2007 ==

* Recap Alex's Schedule
** Gone Aug 26-32nd, Leaving on Sept 15th

* Look at where we currently are with todo/things that should be done
** Language detection and URL handling?
*** Essentially done, got some tweaks to do
*** '''Need to add locale mapping: en->en-US, es->es-ES, ja-JP-mac->ja, no->nb-NO, pt->pt-PT, sv->sv-SE'''
*** '''Need to add English fallback to front pages only''' (it works on all other pages).  eg. User goes to /de/ and page doesn't exist, they should be redirected to /en-US/
*** '''Need to test host switching'''

** Workflow module?
*** Finished, ready for review
*** '''Publisher/admin can choose to immediately publish their changes, but should default to "needs review"'''

** Permissions structure?
*** locale_access module is finished, ready for review

** Upload/download files
*** '''Under development'''

** '''[[User:clouserw|clouserw]] to review/verify all these next week'''

* Other Concerns?
** fligtar contributes:  hey guys, did you know that rrruffles have ridges?
** '''Need to fix breadcrumbs'''
** '''Need to incorporate [http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/ product-details] code'''
** '''Need to setup /press/ pages'''
** '''Need hella testing'''
** Investigate drupal's simpletest module?
** '''Lots of cleanup/link checking/etc.'''

* Next Meeting?
** '''Sep. 4th, 2pm'''.  Be there or be square.

== Old Meetings ==
*[[Website_CMS:Meeting_Notepad|Meeting Notepad]]