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<small>[[Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-08-19|last meeting]] | [[Thunderbird/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-09-02|next week &raquo;]]</small>
 
'''Thunderbird Meeting Details'''
 
* [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2008&month=8&day=26&hour=16&min=30&sec=0 Tuesday, Aug 26, 16:30 UTC] (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
* [[Thunderbird/StatusMeeting/DialInInfo|How to dial-in]]
 
== Agenda ==
 
* Who's taking minutes? dmose
 
=== Action Items ===
==== Open ====
* davida: file a bug on getting an announcements feed going on
* davida: file a bug on getting a planet.mozillamessaging.com
* everyone: look for delight bugs for the next release, put [delight] in status whiteboard
* dmose: will send out email scheduling drivers meeting for 9:30 Thursday
 
==== Closed ====
* dmose: clarifying post about how TB 3.0 roadmap should work w.r.t feature freeze, string freeze, etc.
** Will blog about dates talked about
 
=== [[Thunderbird:Shredder a2]] ===
* Post Mortem needs scheduling
** who needs to be there?  davida, wswmk, nthomas, gozer, standard8, emre, dmose, ____?
** nthomas unavailability unknown
** davida to send out email, hopefully this week
 
=== Thunderbird 3 ===
* lots of triage has happened; not yet completed
* some question about use of Target-Milestone field
* action item(dmose): email drivers to schedule meeting this week
 
=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird 3.0b1]] ===
 
* '''Two weeks''' to planned code freeze (9th September)
* '''One week''' to planned string freeze for 3.0b1 (2nd September)
* Blockers/Wanted:
** {{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|---|}}: 21
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 14
*** Note: spread across two lists, some dups, not all of these are hard-blockers.
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 16
* {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1?|---|}}: 1
** {{Bug|451842}} filter rules changing from AND to OR, causing many false matches
*** Needs QA
 
* Fixed:
** {{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|FIXED|}}: 4
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 4
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 2
 
* wsmwk is the Q&A lead of Beta 1
* Standard8 is the release driver
 
== Main Issues ==
* davida pointed out that pace seems slow
** what happens if we don't get enough wanted bugs?
*** go forward as planned
*** insert milestone (and rename?)
*** bug owners requested to
**** update status whiteboard of blocking & wanted bugs
**** focus on bugs with string changes
*** drivers to discuss further thursday
* 3 blockers with no owner:
** {{Bug|429118}} Thunderbird inline spell check broken
** {{Bug|430762}} Start page for Alpha/Beta builds - is this a dup?
*** davida & Standard8 to discuss post meeting
** {{Bug|451257}} Using "Edit as new" for random messages sometimes crashes Thunderbird [@ pixman_malloc_abc]
*** hopefully crash-stats return in the next week or two will give us insight here
* L10N builds at risk:
** mozilla-central currently has no automated L10N builds
** Uncertain as to current capability to do L10N builds for Thunderbird
** No instructions for L10N builds from comm-central
** no L10N dashboard (i.e. compare locales)
** if the infrastructure doesn't come together, should skip string freeze and possibly l10n builds for this milestone rather than slipping
** davida/kairo will keep an eye on l10n discussion in Fx product meeting
* String Freeze - Are we on course to get string changes in for next week?
** Account Configuration {{bug|422814}}
*** At the very least, cert-auth is at risk
** Password Manager {{bug|239131}}
*** May not make it, although FF password manager should already be localised for most folks, the preference pane changes are still outstanding.
** Gloda {{bug|450494}}
*** davida: relatively few strings, need to be concerned about UI for upgrading
** Inline card dialog {{bug|450724}}
*** Standard8: on track
** Improved Message Reader View {{bug|449691}}
*** dmose: mostly on track, some risk, looks to be easy to split and land partially
 
=== QA Updates ===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=Thunderbird&datasets=UNCONFIRMED%3A huge nose dive in unconfirmed last week] - so trend of good results from bugday and other efforts continues
* Offline/online bug triage net results - two weeks ago started with 39 bugs with  no comment since 2007-08-01, now down to 17 bugs. (in fact only 17 have no comments before 2008-05-30) So, a qualified success - but would be great if more people were comfortable working on them :)
* this week's bugday focus will be, at least in part, bugs with patches that need love (defined as last bug comment older than 200 days ago)
** [http://tinyurl.com/5b4hct last bug comment less than 800 days ago] 127 bugs
** [http://tinyurl.com/6gg49r all bugs] 241 bugs
** [http://tinyurl.com/67kedz all patches that require string changes] 53 bugs
** discussion about gerv's ongoing work here and how we should try and win (even in the short term in
 
=== Gmail Configuration: POP and IMAP ===
 
From Jcarroll 09:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC):
 
''See proposed agenda items in the [[Talk:Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-08-26| discussion page]].''
 
* davida likes the idea of IMAP
* need to consider UI implications of Googles tag/folder mapping and what deletion means (viz deletion from saved searches?)
* part of the autoconfig stuff davida is working on
 
=== Roundtable ===
 
==== Status Updates ====
===== davida =====
 
* driving
* autoconfig work w/ bienvenu & benb
 
===== dmose =====
* held full text indexing meeting
* discussions with mconnor and davida on flags & driving strategies rejiggered the process and updated <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Release_Driving>
* updated Tb3 schedule page on wiki
* updated Tb about:crashes patch (bug 431439)
* new message view work
* reviewed account wizard extensibility patch (bug 433801)
* made a review pass through nsLDAPURL reimplemation patch (bug 419595; needed for pwmgr)
 
===== nth10sd =====
 
* Another round of preparatory closemes, now ~250+ TB bugs waiting to be closed in a few weeks.
** ~1,000 unconfirmed bugs will be closed since bugdays were started 5 months ago.
* (Really) Finally repaired bugday queries.
* Gristmill now works for Thunderbird / Sunbird! (thanks mschroeder)
** Demonstration screencast, "Gristmill in Action" (for Fx though) created.
** [http://www.rumblingedge.com/2008/08/14/gristmill-concept-video/ Available at The Rumbling Edge].
 
===== jcranmer =====
* Some more address book rewrite stuff
* Started on an SQL backend, see [http://hg.mozilla.org/users/Pidgeot18_gmail.com/ab_rewrite/index.cgi/file/sqlab]
 
===== Standard8 =====
 
* Driving & Reviews
* Address Book
** {{Bug|451361}} Allow OS X address book selection in junk white list.
* Autocomplete
** {{Bug|438861}} Revised fix for passing results back to a previous search and committed
* Password Manager
** {{Bug|419595}} Fixes to LDAP implementation, needs updated patch.
* Unit Tests
** {{Bug|450884}} Enabled (most) TUnit tests in an effort to improve tinderbox stability (see bug for details).
*** Stability seems to have improved, but still evaluating.
 
===== asuth =====
(I will not be on the call today.)
 
* gloda landing {{bug|450494}}
** my status
*** have updated gloda mercurial repo to be able to "drop it in" by checking it out into mailnews/db/global.  This allows a dual-existence for the time being.  (Of course, a patch is required to get make to walk down into gloda's directory.  Forgot to publish that, will do that.)
*** unit tests writing in progress, will be back in the office on that Tuesday eve.  Hope to push a first batch of working tests out soon.  They will depend on some helpers I have as a patch against the mailnews core.
*** have bolstered the in-code javadoc-style (some epydoc-style) comments.
** what I would like
*** If the potential reviewers (I am thinking bienvenu and Standard8?) could start to look at [http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/index.cgi/gloda/ the repository], probably starting from [http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/index.cgi/gloda/file/d2a13bb0a3d2/modules/gloda.js modules/gloda.js], that would be great.
**** Standard8 probably won't have time; dmose volunteered
*** we should probably plan on tele-con walkthroughs after some initial familiarization/review has occurred.  I had done one with dmose and bienvenu back when dmose was up in Vancouver, and that went pretty well.  A lot has happened since then, though, so bienvenu might still want in on such a walkthrough.  We should probably do this after I get at least the first batch of unit tests out.
* other
** I helped justdave with a MIME-related bug and even wrote a unit test! (waiting on netwerk review for the fix, though.)
 
===== bienvenu =====
* Continued work on easy autoconfig - testing logon verification and port probing.
* Wrote patch for {{bug|440366}} all keywords/tags of a mail will be deleted if attachment is detached, awaiting review
* Investigating {{bug|450649}} pop3 partial download broken for global inbox
* Continued work on saved search grouping+threading
* Code reviews, 3.0b1 and 3.0 bug triage
 
===== emre =====
* Still working on {{Bug|440793}}, {{Bug|439097}}, {{Bug|436615}}. A feature complete patch has been submitted. Going to work on it next couple days to make the strategy object scriptable.
 
===== gozer =====
* We've now got the basic infrastructure in place to run our own http:// sites
** Capable of sustaining the 8,000,000 hits a day we've been hearing about
** Sample [http://stage.mozillamessaging.com/ Staging website] for instance
** Support for https:// needs a little bit more work
* Landed bug {{bug|450456}} - TB now has a disk cache!
* Learned of the web component part of the [[Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration|Autoconfiguration]] work from BenB
** validates that *.live.mozillamessaging.com is the right DNS structure for all things <b>needed</b> by Thunderbird itself
** brought up interesting issues of trust and SSL certificates
*** larger discussion needed; davida will blog about once this is a bit further along
** I'd like to get the general feel about including our own CA in Thunderbird's trusted CA list.
* Decided it's simpler to host the Lightning/gdata buildbots ourselves, instead of trying to reuse the current community boxes
** Should happen this week
* Brought our test Zimbra install in sync with what's at MoCo to help Calendar folks with debugging problems {{bug|450534}}
* <i>Will be somewhat on/off this week for family reasons</i>
 
===== clarkbw =====
 
* Worked on...
** {{bug|430614}} &mdash; Thunderbird OS Search Integration
** {{bug|451599}} &mdash; preferences UI for disk cache
** {{bug|451620}} &mdash; remove connection timeout
** {{bug|436615}} &mdash; better faster IMAP
* Continuing on...
** [http://clarkbw.net/designs/msg-reader/ msg reader]
*** Quick discussion w/ beltzner and dmose about creating greater distinction between headers, toolbar area, and message content
*** New version incorporating some feedback [http://clarkbw.net/designs/msg-reader/v2/msg-reader.html msg reader v2] and [http://clarkbw.net/designs/msg-reader/v2/msg-reader-remote-images.html msg-reader v2 remote images]
** {{bug|422814}} &mdash; new create account dialog
** {{bug|123440}} &mdash; annoying connection error dialogs
*** [[Thunderbird:Connection Errors]]
* A bit of blogging
* A lot of bug triage
* Planning to spend some time on
** {{bug|231654}} &mdash; Key combos wrt folder pane
** {{bug|271589}} &mdash; popups accumulate if they are not canceled
 
===== wsmwk =====
* weighed in start page, and on some UI issues
* numerous bug triage, with some focus on profile and startup bugs
* monitoring m.feedback.thunderbird and m.f.prerelease.thunderbird
* pushed on {{bug|258465}} Duplicate entries appear in feeds [RSS] and about speech accessibility {{Bug|395631}} Using Vista's speech recognition application it is not possible to dictate into Thunderbird's message compose window, which dupes to {{bug|395484}}
* trying to keep up with bugmail from Bryan's flurry of responses :)
 
===== beckley =====
 
===== KaiRo =====
 
===== rkent =====
 
===== rebron =====
* Continuing work on PR plan. 
* Working on promotional materials to have on hand, giveaways, conferences.
* Working on updating the web site.
 
=== Attendees ===
 
 
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