Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-08-26

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Thunderbird Meeting Details

• Tuesday, Aug 26, 16:30 UTC (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
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Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? dmose

Action Items

Open

• davida: file a bug on getting an announcements feed going on
• davida: file a bug on getting a planet.mozillamessaging.com
• everyone: look for delight bugs for the next release, put [delight] in status whiteboard
• dmose: will send out email scheduling drivers meeting for 9:30 Thursday

Closed

• dmose: clarifying post about how TB 3.0 roadmap should work w.r.t feature freeze, string freeze, etc.
  • Will blog about dates talked about

Thunderbird:Shredder a2

• Post Mortem needs scheduling
  • who needs to be there? davida, wswmk, nthomas, gozer, standard8, emre, dmose, ____?
  • nthomas unavailability unknown
  • davida to send out email, hopefully this week

Thunderbird 3

• lots of triage has happened; not yet completed
• some question about use of Target-Milestone field
• action item(dmose): email drivers to schedule meeting this week

Thunderbird:Thunderbird 3.0b1

• Two weeks to planned code freeze (9th September)
• One week to planned string freeze for 3.0b1 (2nd September)
• Blockers/Wanted:
  • blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+: 21
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 14
    • Note: spread across two lists, some dups, not all of these are hard-blockers.
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 16
• Proposed Blockers: 1
  • bug 451842 filter rules changing from AND to OR, causing many false matches
    • Needs QA

• Fixed:
  • blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+: 4
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 4
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 2

• wsmwk is the Q&A lead of Beta 1
• Standard8 is the release driver

Main Issues

• davida pointed out that pace seems slow
  • what happens if we don't get enough wanted bugs?
    • go forward as planned
    • insert milestone (and rename?)
    • bug owners requested to
      • update status whiteboard of blocking & wanted bugs
      • focus on bugs with string changes
    • drivers to discuss further thursday
• 3 blockers with no owner:
  • bug 429118 Thunderbird inline spell check broken
  • bug 430762 Start page for Alpha/Beta builds - is this a dup?
    • davida & Standard8 to discuss post meeting
  • bug 451257 Using "Edit as new" for random messages sometimes crashes Thunderbird [@ pixman_malloc_abc]
    • hopefully crash-stats return in the next week or two will give us insight here
• L10N builds at risk:
  • mozilla-central currently has no automated L10N builds
  • Uncertain as to current capability to do L10N builds for Thunderbird
  • No instructions for L10N builds from comm-central
  • no L10N dashboard (i.e. compare locales)
  • if the infrastructure doesn't come together, should skip string freeze and possibly l10n builds for this milestone rather than slipping
  • davida/kairo will keep an eye on l10n discussion in Fx product meeting
• String Freeze - Are we on course to get string changes in for next week?
  • Account Configuration bug 422814
    • At the very least, cert-auth is at risk
  • Password Manager bug 239131
    • May not make it, although FF password manager should already be localised for most folks, the preference pane changes are still outstanding.
  • Gloda bug 450494
    • davida: relatively few strings, need to be concerned about UI for upgrading
  • Inline card dialog bug 450724
    • Standard8: on track
  • Improved Message Reader View bug 449691
    • dmose: mostly on track, some risk, looks to be easy to split and land partially

QA Updates

• huge nose dive in unconfirmed last week - so trend of good results from bugday and other efforts continues
• Offline/online bug triage net results - two weeks ago started with 39 bugs with no comment since 2007-08-01, now down to 17 bugs. (in fact only 17 have no comments before 2008-05-30) So, a qualified success - but would be great if more people were comfortable working on them :)
• this week's bugday focus will be, at least in part, bugs with patches that need love (defined as last bug comment older than 200 days ago)
  • last bug comment less than 800 days ago 127 bugs
  • all bugs 241 bugs
  • all patches that require string changes 53 bugs
  • discussion about gerv's ongoing work here and how we should try and win (even in the short term in

Gmail Configuration: POP and IMAP

From Jcarroll 09:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC):

See proposed agenda items in the discussion page.

• davida likes the idea of IMAP
• need to consider UI implications of Googles tag/folder mapping and what deletion means (viz deletion from saved searches?)
• part of the autoconfig stuff davida is working on

Roundtable

Status Updates

davida

• driving
• autoconfig work w/ bienvenu & benb

dmose

• held full text indexing meeting
• discussions with mconnor and davida on flags & driving strategies rejiggered the process and updated <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Release_Driving>
• updated Tb3 schedule page on wiki
• updated Tb about:crashes patch (bug 431439)
• new message view work
• reviewed account wizard extensibility patch (bug 433801)
• made a review pass through nsLDAPURL reimplemation patch (bug 419595; needed for pwmgr)

nth10sd

• Another round of preparatory closemes, now ~250+ TB bugs waiting to be closed in a few weeks.
  • ~1,000 unconfirmed bugs will be closed since bugdays were started 5 months ago.
• (Really) Finally repaired bugday queries.
• Gristmill now works for Thunderbird / Sunbird! (thanks mschroeder)
  • Demonstration screencast, "Gristmill in Action" (for Fx though) created.
  • Available at The Rumbling Edge.

jcranmer

• Some more address book rewrite stuff
• Started on an SQL backend, see [1]

Standard8

• Driving & Reviews
• Address Book
  • bug 451361 Allow OS X address book selection in junk white list.
• Autocomplete
  • bug 438861 Revised fix for passing results back to a previous search and committed
• Password Manager
  • bug 419595 Fixes to LDAP implementation, needs updated patch.
• Unit Tests
  • bug 450884 Enabled (most) TUnit tests in an effort to improve tinderbox stability (see bug for details).
    • Stability seems to have improved, but still evaluating.

asuth

(I will not be on the call today.)

• gloda landing bug 450494
  • my status
    • have updated gloda mercurial repo to be able to "drop it in" by checking it out into mailnews/db/global. This allows a dual-existence for the time being. (Of course, a patch is required to get make to walk down into gloda's directory. Forgot to publish that, will do that.)
    • unit tests writing in progress, will be back in the office on that Tuesday eve. Hope to push a first batch of working tests out soon. They will depend on some helpers I have as a patch against the mailnews core.
    • have bolstered the in-code javadoc-style (some epydoc-style) comments.
  • what I would like
    • If the potential reviewers (I am thinking bienvenu and Standard8?) could start to look at the repository, probably starting from modules/gloda.js, that would be great.
      • Standard8 probably won't have time; dmose volunteered
    • we should probably plan on tele-con walkthroughs after some initial familiarization/review has occurred. I had done one with dmose and bienvenu back when dmose was up in Vancouver, and that went pretty well. A lot has happened since then, though, so bienvenu might still want in on such a walkthrough. We should probably do this after I get at least the first batch of unit tests out.
• other
  • I helped justdave with a MIME-related bug and even wrote a unit test! (waiting on netwerk review for the fix, though.)

bienvenu

• Continued work on easy autoconfig - testing logon verification and port probing.
• Wrote patch for bug 440366 all keywords/tags of a mail will be deleted if attachment is detached, awaiting review
• Investigating bug 450649 pop3 partial download broken for global inbox
• Continued work on saved search grouping+threading
• Code reviews, 3.0b1 and 3.0 bug triage

emre

• Still working on bug 440793, bug 439097, bug 436615. A feature complete patch has been submitted. Going to work on it next couple days to make the strategy object scriptable.

gozer

• We've now got the basic infrastructure in place to run our own http:// sites
  • Capable of sustaining the 8,000,000 hits a day we've been hearing about
  • Sample Staging website for instance
  • Support for https:// needs a little bit more work
• Landed bug bug 450456 - TB now has a disk cache!
• Learned of the web component part of the Autoconfiguration work from BenB
  • validates that *.live.mozillamessaging.com is the right DNS structure for all things needed by Thunderbird itself
  • brought up interesting issues of trust and SSL certificates
    • larger discussion needed; davida will blog about once this is a bit further along
  • I'd like to get the general feel about including our own CA in Thunderbird's trusted CA list.
• Decided it's simpler to host the Lightning/gdata buildbots ourselves, instead of trying to reuse the current community boxes
  • Should happen this week
• Brought our test Zimbra install in sync with what's at MoCo to help Calendar folks with debugging problems bug 450534
• Will be somewhat on/off this week for family reasons

clarkbw

• Worked on...
  • bug 430614 — Thunderbird OS Search Integration
  • bug 451599 — preferences UI for disk cache
  • bug 451620 — remove connection timeout
  • bug 436615 — better faster IMAP
• Continuing on...
  • msg reader
    • Quick discussion w/ beltzner and dmose about creating greater distinction between headers, toolbar area, and message content
    • New version incorporating some feedback msg reader v2 and msg-reader v2 remote images
  • bug 422814 — new create account dialog
  • bug 123440 — annoying connection error dialogs
    • Thunderbird:Connection Errors
• A bit of blogging
• A lot of bug triage
• Planning to spend some time on
  • bug 231654 — Key combos wrt folder pane
  • bug 271589 — popups accumulate if they are not canceled

wsmwk

• weighed in start page, and on some UI issues
• numerous bug triage, with some focus on profile and startup bugs
• monitoring m.feedback.thunderbird and m.f.prerelease.thunderbird
• pushed on bug 258465 Duplicate entries appear in feeds [RSS] and about speech accessibility bug 395631 Using Vista's speech recognition application it is not possible to dictate into Thunderbird's message compose window, which dupes to bug 395484
• trying to keep up with bugmail from Bryan's flurry of responses :)

rebron

• Continuing work on PR plan.
• Working on promotional materials to have on hand, giveaways, conferences.
• Working on updating the web site.