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== Before Anything Else: ==
== Before Anything Else: ==
STOP:
STOP:
* First, this page is a mess, please can a Wiki expert port all this to seperate organised pages
* First, this page is a mess, please call a Wiki expert to port all this to seperate organized pages
* A lead Designer and team must be chosen to deal with naming and the thesis behind it. Designer's know that you should never ever let a programmer make all the decisions about an interface - that's why we get things like NS8. If the product name ends up being decided by a vote based on a shortlist of suggested ideas from users, I shall shoot myself. All products should have a name chosen from a thesis thought out by a project designer, ''based on'' suggestions from the community.
* A lead designer and team must be chosen to deal with naming and the thesis behind it. Designers know that you should never ever let a programmer make all the decisions about an interface - that's why we get things like NS8. If the product name ends up being decided by a vote based on a short list of suggested ideas from users, I shall shoot myself. All products should have a name chosen from a thesis thought out by a project designer, ''based on'' suggestions from the community.
* A Wiki Manager should be assigned to control this mess.  
* A Wiki Manager should be assigned to control this mess.  


''Kroc Camen''
''Kroc Camen''


== Difference between this effort and Mozilla2 ==
== Difference between this effort and Mozilla2 ==


- Could someone tell me the difference between this effort and Mozilla2?
- Could someone tell me the difference between this effort and Mozilla2?
''From Jean-Marc Desperrier:''


Well, there no relation :-) Mozilla2 is about making major change in the Core (the low level part shared between all mozilla.org applications) to support new advanced functions. Between two release of an application, it's difficult to make such change, that involve a significant risk of unstability. OTOH not doing that means the evolution of the soft is impaired, and it will keep forever some code whose shortcomings are well known, and that at the end more time has been spent correcting that would have been needed to write again better.
Well, there no relation :-) Mozilla2 is about making major change in the Core (the low level part shared between all mozilla.org applications) to support new advanced functions. Between two release of an application, it's difficult to make such change, that involve a significant risk of unstability. OTOH not doing that means the evolution of the soft is impaired, and it will keep forever some code whose shortcomings are well known, and that at the end more time has been spent correcting that would have been needed to write again better.
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Even though SeaMonkey will not have an official 1.8 Release, the gecko engine will continue towards version 2 and this does not affect the SeaMonkey web browser.
Even though SeaMonkey will not have an official 1.8 Release, the gecko engine will continue towards version 2 and this does not affect the SeaMonkey web browser.
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''From Mark Dowling:''
; Mozilla2/Gecko 2.0 : If Moz2 is about Gecko shouldn't this process be named Gecko2? Or by retaining this designation is MoFo deliberately causing confusion, forcing the suite to use another name?
: --[[User:Jmdesp|Jmdesp]] 03:54, 6 Apr 2005 (PDT) the comment by Kroc Camen nicely complements what I said, but it has a an error. Moz2 is not Gecko2. Gecko is only the rendering engine, and the subject covered in Moz2 include many things that have nothing to do with rendering. In the current list of topic in the wiki entry about Moz2, only ImageLib+GFXResearch+Web Forms 2 are related to Gecko, the other are core elements completely outside of it.


== Idea about the best way to do new Seamonkey releases ==
== Idea about the best way to do new Seamonkey releases ==
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:: This is completely possible within the Firefox/Thunderbird framework.  Open the  Options window, move to the Advanced panel, and look at the tabbed browsing options.  Change the 'Open links from other applications in' setting to 'A new tab in the most recent window'.  Sure, you can't make this Thunderbird-specific, but I'd have to question ''why'' in the world you'd want to make it application-specific. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 21:15, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
:: This is completely possible within the Firefox/Thunderbird framework.  Open the  Options window, move to the Advanced panel, and look at the tabbed browsing options.  Change the 'Open links from other applications in' setting to 'A new tab in the most recent window'.  Sure, you can't make this Thunderbird-specific, but I'd have to question ''why'' in the world you'd want to make it application-specific. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 21:15, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
: But if the next time I want to open it in a new window?  It's not as freindly or flexible. --[[User:L Squared|L2]] 08:06, 19 Mar 2005 (PST)


== Idea: Mozilla users base contributions on offical 1.8 release? ==
== Idea: Mozilla users base contributions on offical 1.8 release? ==
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"# The Mozilla Foundation will provide infrastructure for those interested in working on the 1.7.x releases, which we expect will include a number of vendors who provide these products to their customers. We've committed to support the 1.7 branch some time ago. If we ship 1.8 we'll need to support that as well, and we just can't manage supporting that many versions as well as Firefox and Thunderbird releases."
"# The Mozilla Foundation will provide infrastructure for those interested in working on the 1.7.x releases, which we expect will include a number of vendors who provide these products to their customers. We've committed to support the 1.7 branch some time ago. If we ship 1.8 we'll need to support that as well, and we just can't manage supporting that many versions as well as Firefox and Thunderbird releases."


== Where? ==
What sites are going to offer The Seamonkey available for download?


Ray Alex
: Please use the + to add New topics for discussion. Else add your opinion under the last message of a topic so it won't break any other "threads". Better use MozillaZine Forum. And use Show preview before saving.
: The comeunity driven suite will be available on the download server of mozilla.org. -- [[User:Opi|Alexander Opitz (opi)]] 03:48, 28 Apr 2005 (PDT)
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What I don't understand is why don't they just finish 1.8, and support THAT version (and stop support on 1.7x). They wouldn't be supporting two versions of seamonkey, and vendors would be getting support for an updated improved version.
What I don't understand is why don't they just finish 1.8, and support THAT version (and stop support on 1.7x). They wouldn't be supporting two versions of seamonkey, and vendors would be getting support for an updated improved version.


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: I manage the donations@mozilla.org address. It has been suggested many times that donations could be earmarked for a specific project (including by me) but MoFo has always rejected the idea. They are concerned that high profile projects (e.g. Firefox) may get all the funding to the detriment of equally important projects (e.g. Bugzilla). At the end of the day we get so many donations they wouldn't notice if a (probably) small number of people insisted they wanted to donate for SeaMonkey only.  -- [[User:irongut|irongut]]
: I manage the donations@mozilla.org address. It has been suggested many times that donations could be earmarked for a specific project (including by me) but MoFo has always rejected the idea. They are concerned that high profile projects (e.g. Firefox) may get all the funding to the detriment of equally important projects (e.g. Bugzilla). At the end of the day we get so many donations they wouldn't notice if a (probably) small number of people insisted they wanted to donate for SeaMonkey only.  -- [[User:irongut|irongut]]


== Product Name ==
There has been talk of not using the gecko versioning for suite and possibly rebranding it under a new name (Seabird, Seawolf).    Thoughts?
''Please'', I beg you all, pick a different name. SeaMonkey was the code name for Netscape 6.0 -- you all hated that one, right? Why do you want to perpetuate its name? -dveditz
Will we be allowed to use the "Mozilla" name? If so, I'd prefer sticking with Mozilla Application Suite or revising it to Mozilla Internet Suite. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 10:21, 11 Mar 2005 (PST)
=== Proposition to move discussion ===
Why don't we create a new talk page, something like Talk:SeaMonkey:Naming to hold this discussion? -- [[User:Irixman|Irixman]] 10:17, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
: I don`t think it`s the right time for a naming discussion. IMHO we should first clear the Situation, build the Team and the "Team-Structure" and than we could discuss about a Name :-) -- [[User:Tomcat|Tomcat]] 12:02, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
:: I'd have to agree with Tomcat. Besides which, I really have no qualm with the ''SeaMonkey'' moniker.
:: However, I do agree that this place is getting a little cluttered. This Wiki interface doesn't appear to be very well structured for holding threaded discussions. As such, per Irixman and Johann's suggestions, all discussion would likely benefit greatly by remaining in the [http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php?c=3 Seamonkey Forums] over on '''MozillaZine'''. - [[User:Scarrow|Scarrow]]
=== Branding Restrictions ===
Naming the project is mentioned in the transition plan. [emph added]


: We '''probably won't use the same naming conventions''', as we need to be clear that this is not a Mozilla Foundation product release.
hrivera
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: [...]
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: There will undoubtedly be some implementation details to be worked out (e.g., '''can we actually use Seamonkey as a formal trademark''' [...]
[http://www.mozilla.org/seamonkey-transition.html Transition Plan]


This seems to rule out a name that coordinates with other Mozilla products. This may also mean no Seamonkey. -- [[User:irixman|irixman]]
What is the difference between Mozilla nigthly reseases and Seamonkey nigthly releases?
:The only Mozilla nightly releases I know of are off the 1.7 branch. The SeaMonkey nightly releases are off the 1.8 branch or the trunk. If you're planning on using SeaMonkey eventually and want to use a nightly release, I'd recommend a SeaMonkey nightly because those are more actively developed and closer to the final release of SeaMonkey. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 10:39, 19 Oct 2005 (PDT)


: To add to the Name discussion, Something like *zilla can't be used. The zilla thing is trademarked by someone else. He gaved Mozilla the ok to use the name but als mentioned, that they won't no new *zilla products. Also please do not spam this wiki discussion and please think about something else as the name yet. We firstly need a core team and spokesperson. We will let you informed, how you can help the X Suite product, besides of the normal bugzilla help, testing nightlies and so on.
== Product Name & Version ==


: And for information please don't change the comment order, use : to move your text a bit to left if you comment a comment (or use more : do move more left). And sign every comment with -- <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (2 minus and 4 tildes) on the end. So all will be more readable. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 09:02, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
Discussion of Product Name and Version moved to [[Talk:SeaMonkey:Name And Version|Name and Version]]
 
===Ana===
 
Noone has done this yet, but different from animal-like or Mozilla-related names, I recommend Turkish word '''ana''' (pronounced <code>/un-ah/</code>) for the new application. ('''Ana''' as brand name with capital a.) This is the word I've been using to distinguish Firefox, Thunderbird and the '''main''' application, Mozilla Suite, who '''gave birth''' to Firefox and Thunderbird. Ana means ''mother'' (who gives birth), ''base'', ''main'', ''origin'', ''core'', ''essential''. I think Ana is able to reflect what lies behind Mozilla Suite. It is also easy to remember. [[User:Asteko|Asteko]]
 
===The Teleport Suite===
 
I suggest naming our new internet suite "The Teleport Suite", and for the slogan: "Browse at the speed of thought". Seamonkey is a little old-fashioned, and if we start inventing combinations of animals, we will still be associated to the Mozilla Foundation...
I also think we have to re-design all icons. I can help you doing it. I have created a logo already:
 
http://www.auriance.com/docs/teleport.png
 
: There are aleady an application named "Teleport" Link: http://www.tenmax.com/teleport/pro/home.htm This is a web downloader like wget, but for windows and with GUI. The project seems to be half-dead (i use the version 1.29 already 6 years). [[User:Yozhhh|Yozhhh]]
 
===Options===
 
Choosing a single, strong name make promotion easier, but it also affects the internal discussions.  What you call something affects how you think about it.
 
"The Suite" is not unique, a PC could have three or four suites on it.
 
The name seamonkey does not have a serious connotation
see: [http://www2f.biglobe.ne.jp/~tyoutyou/seamonkey.html]
 
We have choices of what kind of name do we want.
 
Make it coordinate with other Mozilla products: Seawolf Windhawk
 
Make it a derivative of the original: Dragon Wyvern Netzilla Dragonfly
 
Make it some other animal: Otter Hammerhead Wizard
 
Make it function related: Internet Suite (IS)  Internet Master (IM)
 
Make it more abstract like Asteko's suggestion: Ana
 
The first three have the advantage of including a more or less ready made mascot/logo, and give a more concrete label.
[[User:L Squared|L Squared]]
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Some thoughts that I saw (on mozillazine??) are to relate this to the OO.o project.  They're making the office application suite, and seamonkey has always been known as the internet suite.  I believe it's a necessity to demonstrate the 'power' of the application, as the suite of tools and the underlying framework that's extensible.  Maybe an Acronym?
 
OIT  (Open Internet Toolbox)
GIT  (Gecko Internet Toolbox/Toolkit)
 
How about a play on the iPod:  iNet!  (silly, but it may spur someone else on to something better)
 
Some other comments say that the suite is for the Uber-Geeks...maybe we should capitalize on that?  Let Fx go for the noob's  ;)  [[User:larrybpsu|larrybpsu]]
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Let's not call it Gecko Internet Toolkit.. We don't want to be marketing GIT. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]]
 
===Be careful===
 
Abstract is all good and well, but we have to keep in mind that this international community employs numerous tongues. What may well sound good in one language may turn sour in another.
For instance, the above suggestion of '''Ana''', while perhaps ripe with benevolent connotations in Turkish, on the other hand, simply means '''hole''', in Japanese.
Which of course, would not be auspicious.
 
- [[User:Scarrow|Scarrow]]
 
 
===Some names===
WebMoz
 
OpenMoz
 
Webilla (Web+illa from mozilla)
 
Openzilla
 
--[[User:Vd|Vd]] 17:46, 11 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
or
Suitemoz
 
-- [[User:Tomcat|Tomcat]] 06:37, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
SeaWolf
 
-- [[User:HJ|HJ]] Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 9:20:48 AM PST
 
===WebZilla===
 
Just my small idea similar to one above... "WebZilla"
Not much different...short and suite...
 
-- [[User:Rickkins|Rickkins]]
 
===Rules for names - Before we get stuck into a trap...===
Remember the hassle about the name "Firebird"?
We should avoid that this happens again. Therefore we should make some background-rules before:
# The name shouldn't be in use by another software
# The name shouldn't sound as another known name or trademark (therefor also no "Mozi**"-names)
# If a name gets more as 1000 hits on google, forget it
 
 
--[[User:Xwolf|xwolf]] 03:39, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
I disagree with the point 2, on the [http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html Mozilla Trademark Policy] they encourage the name of ''community editions'' to localized protects, and also allows the use of the Moz prefix to related projects. We could blend this and use the name:
 
MozCommunity Suite
 
--[[User:Dahem0n|Dahem0n]] 10:27, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
===Another idea on gettng names===
On some other OS-projects I am working on, I found out, that all good names in common language are used already. Also all names of historic character (like from the greeks and so on).
I found 2 good sources for names:
# http://www.pantheon.org/ - Ther you can dig in the names in the mythology of many cultures. There are a lot of possibilities. E.g. in the australian mythology... You only habe to search...
# Sindarin - You know "Lord of the Rings"? The elbian language that was defined by Tolkien is a source also for good-sounding names. In german we got a web-portal http://www.sindarin.de - Using Sindarin could help to use the same name like before, but in an not obviously language :)
--[[User:Xwolf|xwolf]] 03:45, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
===engine suite===
I think it vill be good and uzer friendly name
"Use engine suite, advance your iPerformance"
 
===mSuite===
Why not use something simple like "mSuite" or similar ?
 
===voting===
Perhaps we could collect some names here and I could temporarly host a voting system as soon as we haven enough names. Then everyone could vote for the name he likes best.
 
== Seamonkey Project - Proposed Alternative Name Archive ==
 
In an effort to unify the tangled name gathering process, a thread has been opened for proposing suggestions in a cohesive, organized fashion, over on Mozillazine.
 
[http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=234325&highlight= Seamonkey Project - Proposed Alternative Name Archive]
 
The list will eventually be moved here to its own page, for perusal and consideration by those who will be steering the project.
 
Please come and contribute your ideas.
Thank you.
:: - [[User:Scarrow|Scarrow]]
 
== Product Version ==
 
MoFo has made it clear that it we can not use v1.8.  They want to make sure that the users see no connection between Mozilla and the Seamonkey.  Versioning Seamonkey to 1.8 may confuse users into thinking that it's the next version of Mozilla, and thus supported by MoFo.
 
Now we are an INDEPENDENT project - MoFo can't say us nothink!
When Phoenix was renamed to Firebird, and Firebird to Firefox the versioning system wasn't changed, so it were an compleatly bad idea that we should begin from null (version 1.0). We should make a version 1.8 or 2.0, but i think 2.0 should be a version based on the tollkit and etc. ;)
--[[User:Adrianer|Adrianer]]
 
:But remember, MoFo is providing us with lots of resources, including Bugzilla, Tinderbox, and lots of internals. Personally, I don't think we should try to anger them! See my post about their naming rules. Our best bet is probably a new, unique name at a version 1.0 release --[[User:irixman|irixman]]
 
 
I think that there are 2 possibilities: 1. 2.0 (Kind of a Next Generation), because there already has been a 1.0+ Suite or 2.) v1.0 because of a "new" Suite from a new Team. -- [[User:Tomcat|Tomcat]] 06:34, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
While Seamonkey will be a independent project, it will still rely on the tools and services provided by MoFo (Tinderbox, Bonsai, Bugzilla, server space, etc).  One can assume that if Seamonkey chose v1.8 for the release version, MoFo would feel less eager to provide us with those tools and services.
 
"MoFo has made it clear that it we can not use v1.8."
:Can you cite evidence for this? In my opinion, 1.8 is the most obvious and appropriate version number - it is after all the same program. I think the facts that the name isn't "Mozilla" and that it's not mentioned on Mozilla 1.x's product page will prevent any confusion. --[[User:Greg K Nicholson|Greg K Nicholson]] 13:57, 13 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
::This has been discussed on the seamonkey newsgroup [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/browse_thread/thread/7c9c274484ad138b/0f0852fd6606444c?q=mozilla+version+mozsuite+1.8#0f0852fd6606444c] -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 05:24, 14 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
===Suggestions===
* 2.0 -- but i think it is better for a version based on toolkit and with much more changes as this version
* 1.8.0, 1.8.sea, 10.1.8 etc -- Too close to 1.8 for MoFo?
* 1.0 -- Makes it feel like Seamonkey is a baby, which it isn't.  However, we can do version step ups at a higher rate, and eventually match Gecko's version when it hits 2.0.
* 0.9 -- Makes it feel like Seamonkey isn't even stable
* Friendly Name -- Like MacOS/Microsoft does (Tiger, Longhorn, XP, NT, etc).  ie. "Seamonkey Internet Suite: Rebellion".  Then, in later releases, we could start matching gecko versions again (once it's clear that Seamonkey isn't supported by MoFo.  ie "Seamonkey 1.10" w/Gecko 1.10, "Seamonkey 1.11" w/Gecko 1.11, "Seamonkey 2.0" w/Gecko 2.0.
 
 
This issue points to why we need to deal with the label up front as well.  Apparently MoFo won't go along with any 1.8 release.  If we are to get the next version out soon, we need to agree on what to call it.  I suspect that version 1.0 will probably be our best option, and agree with 2.0 being the toolkit version.  [[L Squared|L2]]
 
L2, I agree. I think we need a new name and a 1.0 release. --[[User:irixman|irixman]]
 
I agree a 1.0 release is the best option. The upgrade version can get a 0.8 advance towards our version 2.0, making it 1.8. [[user:dahem0n|dahem0n]]


==Idea: why not have (sticky) discussion threads or a forum over at MZ?==
==Idea: why not have (sticky) discussion threads or a forum over at MZ?==
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   ??? tinderbox, check-ins ??? what-ever
   ??? tinderbox, check-ins ??? what-ever


It seems we have a lot of volunteers like myself who are technically competent but proceedurally ignorant.  If those in the know want our help, you'll need to show us how. [[L Squared|L2]]
It seems we have a lot of volunteers like myself who are technically competent but proceedurally ignorant.  If those in the know want our help, you'll need to show us how. [[User:L Squared|L2]]


: As there are no changes with the resources yet all old information also applies to the new product we will form. so all infos you need to get the source, compile, and test is found on http://www.mozilla.org/developer/ ... more will come in time. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 08:36, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
: As there are no changes with the resources yet all old information also applies to the new product we will form. so all infos you need to get the source, compile, and test is found on http://www.mozilla.org/developer/ ... more will come in time. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 08:36, 12 Mar 2005 (PST)
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:There's an explanation of what needs to be done in "The Plan" section. If you don't know how to use Bugzilla, hang out on one of the developer IRC channels. Maybe it would be a good idea to arrange some "bug days", a day of the week specifically set aside for helping new members get up to speed with Bugzilla work. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 05:39, 14 Mar 2005 (PST)
:There's an explanation of what needs to be done in "The Plan" section. If you don't know how to use Bugzilla, hang out on one of the developer IRC channels. Maybe it would be a good idea to arrange some "bug days", a day of the week specifically set aside for helping new members get up to speed with Bugzilla work. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 05:39, 14 Mar 2005 (PST)


Well, I went over to the mozilla.org/developer/ page, but I'm still lost.  I have no probelm with Bugzilla, but finding anything in the source is still a mystery to me.  It seems that you need to understand the whole app to navigate the source.  For instance, I thought I'd use bug 135092 as a test bed for understanding the process.  After 30 minutes of digging, I still have no idea where the code is.  I thought, well maybe the coding is beyond me, so I'll just look at the help structure, maybe I can do something there.  Ha, Ha.  I think I (we) need a better road map or a safari guide. [[L Squared|L2]]
Well, I went over to the mozilla.org/developer/ page, but I'm still lost.  I have no probelm with Bugzilla, but finding anything in the source is still a mystery to me.  It seems that you need to understand the whole app to navigate the source.  For instance, I thought I'd use bug 135092 as a test bed for understanding the process.  After 30 minutes of digging, I still have no idea where the code is.  I thought, well maybe the coding is beyond me, so I'll just look at the help structure, maybe I can do something there.  Ha, Ha.  I think I (we) need a better road map or a safari guide. [[User:L Squared|L2]]
 
: There are no more docs as on the developers pages. Maybe some special hints are inside this wiki. And this isn't a bug for beginners. The UI thing may be in http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/mailnews/base/resources/content/ but it may, that something else needs changes for this (I'm no mailnews person). And the discussion should be done in MozillaZine forum. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 06:18, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
 
I'd appreciate that. I've tried to grab the Win32 source from SVC, but it fails rather quickly... I do know how to use Bugzilla at a certain level (probably the only level I need since I have no special privileges). I could definitely do with understanding the Mozilla architecture more though... I'm not sure if anywhere lays that out clearly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]]
 
: For problems, please use the MozillaZine forum, there are users that build SeaMonkey&co self. I think they can help you if you write your problem (with the error messages). Else the cvs checkout howto for SeaMonkey ist on http://www.mozilla.org/cvs.html and normaly it explains enough. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 06:18, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
Where on Mozillazine would you suggest raising these questions?  We've got General, Builds, Features and Bugs.  Nothing for newbie-developers.
I feel like I'm being told to go get lost in the forest.  If this project wants to involve new blood, the "if you can't figure it out yourself, don't bother us" attitude has got to change. [[User:L Squared|L2]]]
 
:Agree that the figure it out yourself part must stop, and I personally think it is very ff/tb oriented. I remember when I posted my "Why am I not contributing code (yet)" blog, I got a quick and friendly response from a gecko developer with some easy starters and a bit of hand helding when I had questions.For a newbie developer I think 2 things are very importent when trying to get startet:
 
# Try and find a area you want to help out in e.g. "backend", browser, mail, adressbook or whatever. That will make it easier for people to point you in the right direction. It is more tricky if you just say "I wanna fix bugs" :-)
# be upfront with what you know beforehand, so that they don't point you to c++ bugs if you only know XUL and stuff like that.
 
:Basicly the important part is to minimize the time wasted, because that leaves more time for helping. --[[User:Lynggaard|Lynggaard]] 14:44, 16 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
: L2 Hey, Do you want that I make all for you or do you want learn to help? You hada question above and I answered, now you have a new question and tells that we have a "if you can't figure it out yourself, don't bother us" attitude? It's how it was in the school time, the teacher can't tell you all. A Lexicon have only one place to read and not one for beginners and one for the others. And there were many people before you in the same possition. And they learned. First point you should learn, how to arrange in wiki all your answers to komments above in a correct order and don't put all on last position. How to let them go a bit to left, so all will be more readable. Use <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> on the end of your comment, so your username and Time will be added. To your problem, I think best place is the general forum, cause it's about a feature, but you won't speak about the feature, you will ask about learning. But before starting to dig into the code. Did you get the source of SeaMonkey from cvs? Did you get it compiled? Does it run and looked like a build from mozilla.org? This are points to start before. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 05:18, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
<IRMC> [[User:L Squared|L2]] 13:43, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
 
== Thunderbird Groupware extensions under SM Mail? ==
See [[Talk:SeaMonkey:Home_Page/TBirdExtensions]]
 
== Template on Wikipages ==
Is there any reason that I find 2 Templates:
<nowiki>{{SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki>
and
<nowiki>{{Template:SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki>?
I changed some Pages to <nowiki>{{Template:SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki>
-- [[User:RaiBi|RaiBi]] 02:34, 21 Sep 2005 (PDT)
:It looks like they're the same template, so I think we should use the canonical <nowiki>{{SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki> form everywhere.
 
== Old Mozilla Suite Bugs and particuarly Emacs bindings ==
Hi --
 
Every since I've switched from linux to Mac OS X I've been trying to get that wee tick box back that lets me use emacs bindings.  Really, it's no problem on a mac -- control isn't used for anything more than it is on other os's.  We have the command key for all our special stuff, so actually it's ''easier'' than on linux.  Could someone just uncomment the code for that on the Mac OS release?
 
Sorry for being lame and not figuring out how to do this myself.  Also, this was promised and revisited for ages and ages by many people on bugzilla but I don't see it working in SeaMonkey 1.05.  Did anyone bother porting the bugzilla stuff or  is this a fresh start?
 
== Namespace ==
 
I think it would be good to have a Namespace for SeaMonkey. It will help to check for recent changes. --[[User:Sergiodf|Sergiodf]] 06:14, 12 November 2006 (PST)
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