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== Before Anything Else: == | == Before Anything Else: == | ||
STOP: | STOP: | ||
* First, this page is a mess, please | * First, this page is a mess, please call a Wiki expert to port all this to seperate organized pages | ||
* A lead | * A lead designer and team must be chosen to deal with naming and the thesis behind it. Designers know that you should never ever let a programmer make all the decisions about an interface - that's why we get things like NS8. If the product name ends up being decided by a vote based on a short list of suggested ideas from users, I shall shoot myself. All products should have a name chosen from a thesis thought out by a project designer, ''based on'' suggestions from the community. | ||
* A Wiki Manager should be assigned to control this mess. | * A Wiki Manager should be assigned to control this mess. | ||
''Kroc Camen'' | ''Kroc Camen'' | ||
== Difference between this effort and Mozilla2 == | == Difference between this effort and Mozilla2 == | ||
- Could someone tell me the difference between this effort and Mozilla2? | - Could someone tell me the difference between this effort and Mozilla2? | ||
''From Jean-Marc Desperrier:'' | |||
Well, there no relation :-) Mozilla2 is about making major change in the Core (the low level part shared between all mozilla.org applications) to support new advanced functions. Between two release of an application, it's difficult to make such change, that involve a significant risk of unstability. OTOH not doing that means the evolution of the soft is impaired, and it will keep forever some code whose shortcomings are well known, and that at the end more time has been spent correcting that would have been needed to write again better. | Well, there no relation :-) Mozilla2 is about making major change in the Core (the low level part shared between all mozilla.org applications) to support new advanced functions. Between two release of an application, it's difficult to make such change, that involve a significant risk of unstability. OTOH not doing that means the evolution of the soft is impaired, and it will keep forever some code whose shortcomings are well known, and that at the end more time has been spent correcting that would have been needed to write again better. | ||
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Even though SeaMonkey will not have an official 1.8 Release, the gecko engine will continue towards version 2 and this does not affect the SeaMonkey web browser. | Even though SeaMonkey will not have an official 1.8 Release, the gecko engine will continue towards version 2 and this does not affect the SeaMonkey web browser. | ||
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''From Mark Dowling:'' | |||
; Mozilla2/Gecko 2.0 : If Moz2 is about Gecko shouldn't this process be named Gecko2? Or by retaining this designation is MoFo deliberately causing confusion, forcing the suite to use another name? | |||
: --[[User:Jmdesp|Jmdesp]] 03:54, 6 Apr 2005 (PDT) the comment by Kroc Camen nicely complements what I said, but it has a an error. Moz2 is not Gecko2. Gecko is only the rendering engine, and the subject covered in Moz2 include many things that have nothing to do with rendering. In the current list of topic in the wiki entry about Moz2, only ImageLib+GFXResearch+Web Forms 2 are related to Gecko, the other are core elements completely outside of it. | |||
== Idea about the best way to do new Seamonkey releases == | == Idea about the best way to do new Seamonkey releases == | ||
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:: This is completely possible within the Firefox/Thunderbird framework. Open the Options window, move to the Advanced panel, and look at the tabbed browsing options. Change the 'Open links from other applications in' setting to 'A new tab in the most recent window'. Sure, you can't make this Thunderbird-specific, but I'd have to question ''why'' in the world you'd want to make it application-specific. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 21:15, 12 Mar 2005 (PST) | :: This is completely possible within the Firefox/Thunderbird framework. Open the Options window, move to the Advanced panel, and look at the tabbed browsing options. Change the 'Open links from other applications in' setting to 'A new tab in the most recent window'. Sure, you can't make this Thunderbird-specific, but I'd have to question ''why'' in the world you'd want to make it application-specific. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 21:15, 12 Mar 2005 (PST) | ||
: But if the next time I want to open it in a new window? It's not as freindly or flexible. --[[User:L Squared|L2]] 08:06, 19 Mar 2005 (PST) | |||
== Idea: Mozilla users base contributions on offical 1.8 release? == | == Idea: Mozilla users base contributions on offical 1.8 release? == | ||
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"# The Mozilla Foundation will provide infrastructure for those interested in working on the 1.7.x releases, which we expect will include a number of vendors who provide these products to their customers. We've committed to support the 1.7 branch some time ago. If we ship 1.8 we'll need to support that as well, and we just can't manage supporting that many versions as well as Firefox and Thunderbird releases." | "# The Mozilla Foundation will provide infrastructure for those interested in working on the 1.7.x releases, which we expect will include a number of vendors who provide these products to their customers. We've committed to support the 1.7 branch some time ago. If we ship 1.8 we'll need to support that as well, and we just can't manage supporting that many versions as well as Firefox and Thunderbird releases." | ||
== Where? == | |||
What sites are going to offer The Seamonkey available for download? | |||
Ray Alex | |||
: Please use the + to add New topics for discussion. Else add your opinion under the last message of a topic so it won't break any other "threads". Better use MozillaZine Forum. And use Show preview before saving. | |||
: The comeunity driven suite will be available on the download server of mozilla.org. -- [[User:Opi|Alexander Opitz (opi)]] 03:48, 28 Apr 2005 (PDT) | |||
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What I don't understand is why don't they just finish 1.8, and support THAT version (and stop support on 1.7x). They wouldn't be supporting two versions of seamonkey, and vendors would be getting support for an updated improved version. | What I don't understand is why don't they just finish 1.8, and support THAT version (and stop support on 1.7x). They wouldn't be supporting two versions of seamonkey, and vendors would be getting support for an updated improved version. | ||
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: I manage the donations@mozilla.org address. It has been suggested many times that donations could be earmarked for a specific project (including by me) but MoFo has always rejected the idea. They are concerned that high profile projects (e.g. Firefox) may get all the funding to the detriment of equally important projects (e.g. Bugzilla). At the end of the day we get so many donations they wouldn't notice if a (probably) small number of people insisted they wanted to donate for SeaMonkey only. -- [[User:irongut|irongut]] | : I manage the donations@mozilla.org address. It has been suggested many times that donations could be earmarked for a specific project (including by me) but MoFo has always rejected the idea. They are concerned that high profile projects (e.g. Firefox) may get all the funding to the detriment of equally important projects (e.g. Bugzilla). At the end of the day we get so many donations they wouldn't notice if a (probably) small number of people insisted they wanted to donate for SeaMonkey only. -- [[User:irongut|irongut]] | ||
hrivera | |||
What is the difference between Mozilla nigthly reseases and Seamonkey nigthly releases? | |||
:The only Mozilla nightly releases I know of are off the 1.7 branch. The SeaMonkey nightly releases are off the 1.8 branch or the trunk. If you're planning on using SeaMonkey eventually and want to use a nightly release, I'd recommend a SeaMonkey nightly because those are more actively developed and closer to the final release of SeaMonkey. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 10:39, 19 Oct 2005 (PDT) | |||
== Product Name & Version == | == Product Name & Version == | ||
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: There are no more docs as on the developers pages. Maybe some special hints are inside this wiki. And this isn't a bug for beginners. The UI thing may be in http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/mailnews/base/resources/content/ but it may, that something else needs changes for this (I'm no mailnews person). And the discussion should be done in MozillaZine forum. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 06:18, 15 Mar 2005 (PST) | : There are no more docs as on the developers pages. Maybe some special hints are inside this wiki. And this isn't a bug for beginners. The UI thing may be in http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/mailnews/base/resources/content/ but it may, that something else needs changes for this (I'm no mailnews person). And the discussion should be done in MozillaZine forum. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 06:18, 15 Mar 2005 (PST) | ||
I'd appreciate that. I've tried to grab the Win32 source from SVC, but it fails rather quickly... I do know how to use Bugzilla at a certain level (probably the only level I need since I have no special privileges). I could definitely do with understanding the Mozilla architecture more though... I'm not sure if anywhere lays that out clearly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] | I'd appreciate that. I've tried to grab the Win32 source from SVC, but it fails rather quickly... I do know how to use Bugzilla at a certain level (probably the only level I need since I have no special privileges). I could definitely do with understanding the Mozilla architecture more though... I'm not sure if anywhere lays that out clearly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] | ||
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I feel like I'm being told to go get lost in the forest. If this project wants to involve new blood, the "if you can't figure it out yourself, don't bother us" attitude has got to change. [[User:L Squared|L2]]] | I feel like I'm being told to go get lost in the forest. If this project wants to involve new blood, the "if you can't figure it out yourself, don't bother us" attitude has got to change. [[User:L Squared|L2]]] | ||
Agree that the figure it out yourself part must stop, and I personally think it is very ff/tb oriented. I remember when I posted my "Why am I not contributing code (yet)" blog, I got a quick and friendly response from a gecko developer with some easy starters and a bit of hand helding when I had questions. | :Agree that the figure it out yourself part must stop, and I personally think it is very ff/tb oriented. I remember when I posted my "Why am I not contributing code (yet)" blog, I got a quick and friendly response from a gecko developer with some easy starters and a bit of hand helding when I had questions.For a newbie developer I think 2 things are very importent when trying to get startet: | ||
# Try and find a area you want to help out in e.g. "backend", browser, mail, adressbook or whatever. That will make it easier for people to point you in the right direction. It is more tricky if you just say "I wanna fix bugs" :-) | |||
# be upfront with what you know beforehand, so that they don't point you to c++ bugs if you only know XUL and stuff like that. | |||
:Basicly the important part is to minimize the time wasted, because that leaves more time for helping. --[[User:Lynggaard|Lynggaard]] 14:44, 16 Mar 2005 (PST) | |||
: L2 Hey, Do you want that I make all for you or do you want learn to help? You hada question above and I answered, now you have a new question and tells that we have a "if you can't figure it out yourself, don't bother us" attitude? It's how it was in the school time, the teacher can't tell you all. A Lexicon have only one place to read and not one for beginners and one for the others. And there were many people before you in the same possition. And they learned. First point you should learn, how to arrange in wiki all your answers to komments above in a correct order and don't put all on last position. How to let them go a bit to left, so all will be more readable. Use <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> on the end of your comment, so your username and Time will be added. To your problem, I think best place is the general forum, cause it's about a feature, but you won't speak about the feature, you will ask about learning. But before starting to dig into the code. Did you get the source of SeaMonkey from cvs? Did you get it compiled? Does it run and looked like a build from mozilla.org? This are points to start before. -- [[User:Opi|Opi]] 05:18, 17 Mar 2005 (PST) | |||
<IRMC> [[User:L Squared|L2]] 13:43, 17 Mar 2005 (PST) | |||
== Thunderbird Groupware extensions under SM Mail? == | |||
See [[Talk:SeaMonkey:Home_Page/TBirdExtensions]] | |||
== Template on Wikipages == | |||
Is there any reason that I find 2 Templates: | |||
<nowiki>{{SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki> | |||
and | |||
<nowiki>{{Template:SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki>? | |||
I changed some Pages to <nowiki>{{Template:SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki> | |||
-- [[User:RaiBi|RaiBi]] 02:34, 21 Sep 2005 (PDT) | |||
:It looks like they're the same template, so I think we should use the canonical <nowiki>{{SeaMonkey-Resources}}</nowiki> form everywhere. | |||
== Old Mozilla Suite Bugs and particuarly Emacs bindings == | |||
Hi -- | |||
Every since I've switched from linux to Mac OS X I've been trying to get that wee tick box back that lets me use emacs bindings. Really, it's no problem on a mac -- control isn't used for anything more than it is on other os's. We have the command key for all our special stuff, so actually it's ''easier'' than on linux. Could someone just uncomment the code for that on the Mac OS release? | |||
Sorry for being lame and not figuring out how to do this myself. Also, this was promised and revisited for ages and ages by many people on bugzilla but I don't see it working in SeaMonkey 1.05. Did anyone bother porting the bugzilla stuff or is this a fresh start? | |||
== Namespace == | |||
I think it would be good to have a Namespace for SeaMonkey. It will help to check for recent changes. --[[User:Sergiodf|Sergiodf]] 06:14, 12 November 2006 (PST) | |||
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