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2012-08-10 workshop on how to edit wikis.
2012-08-10 workshop on how to edit wikis. One of many Mozilla [[Events]].


Edit https://etherpad.mozilla.org/How-to-wiki-2012-08-10 in realtime for now.
Archived from: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/How-to-wiki-2012-08-10


Participants:
Participants:
* [[Tantek Çelik]] ([https://twitter.com/t @t])
* [[User:Tantek|Tantek Çelik]] ([https://twitter.com/t @t])
* [wiki.mozilla.org/wbarkis Will Barkis] ([https://twitter.com/willbarkis @willbarkis])
* [http://wiki.mozilla.org/wbarkis Will Barkis] ([https://twitter.com/willbarkis @willbarkis])
* Jeff Hammel (:jhammel)
* [[User:Jhammel|Jeff Hammel]] (:jhammel)
* Diane Bisgeier (@tbiz)
* [[User:Wikibiz|Diane Bisgeier]] ([http://twitter.com/tbiz @tbiz])
* Hal Wine (:hwine)
* [[User:Hwine|Hal Wine]] (:hwine)
 
Line Numbers & colors are an option under "Pad Options"
 
Big picture:  How to collaborate most effectively?
* Email vs wiki vs etherpad
* Email is old.
* Wiki is focusing; more intentional.
 
Q: When to use Etherpad and when to use the wiki?
 
A: Is it real-time or not?  Sync = etherpad; asynch = wiki.
Etherpad is WAY better for real-time.  Good for scratch pads.
Wiki is better for asynchronous.You can do more with a wiki.  Higher fidelity.  Easier to link to.
Currently, wiki's are webcrawled; etherpads are not.  But assume that etherpads will in the future.
 
One process:
etherpad real-time -> move to wiki later
(It would be awesome to be able to do this automagically - jhammel)
we go back and forth a bit, it's not too bad as long as you don't use rich formatting in etherpad - just a copy/paste
 
On Naming:
 
Q: why dashes in URLs? instead of spaces or underscores?
* A1: dashes are slightly better than underscores for SEO. also you don't have to hit the shift key (faster to type)
* A2: ... better than spaces because spaces break auto-linkers. when you copy/paste URLs to email / IM / IRC, those mediums autolink the URLs, which break them at spaces.
* A3: avoid colons ":" in URLs also because it breaks in common linux terminals
 
Q: Why is Etherpad better than Google Docs?
* A1: The Text line feature (see the left side of the window) is very useful for directing people, like when on a call.
* A2: The colors are useful to see who is editing what.
 
On Syntax
* Tantek's soap box:  Rich editing doesn't work.  Not interoperable.
* Asterisk space is converted into bullets.
* Double brackets is turned into wiki link in HTML.
 
Single bracket followed by one space leads to non-wiki site
eg.
 
<nowiki>#redirect:[[Tantek]]</nowiki>
 
linking
 
<nowiki> [[link | link text]]</nowiki>
 
Q: Why MediaWiki as opposed to any other kind of wiki?
* A: MediaWiki probably the most known interface.  So by editing the Mozilla Wiki you're learning to edit wikipedia.
** DevMo uses Kuma
 
Editing a user page
 
Cleaning up spam/spammers
* edit -> blank
* comment: "blanked due to spam, block this account"
 
Add hCard - http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
* HTML version of a vcard
* Go to https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jhammel
* Also like cool vcard downloader -- see Jhammel wiki page, too.
 
Go install the Operator firefox add-on
* https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/operator/
* http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator <== if you forget format
* http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring
 
* Q: Any comment on Semantic Watchlist?
* A: I haven't found this to be of any use. - Tantek
 
Also useful:
 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/open-in-browser/

Latest revision as of 19:08, 13 August 2012

2012-08-10 workshop on how to edit wikis. One of many Mozilla Events.

Archived from: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/How-to-wiki-2012-08-10

Participants:

Line Numbers & colors are an option under "Pad Options"

Big picture: How to collaborate most effectively?

  • Email vs wiki vs etherpad
  • Email is old.
  • Wiki is focusing; more intentional.

Q: When to use Etherpad and when to use the wiki?

A: Is it real-time or not? Sync = etherpad; asynch = wiki. Etherpad is WAY better for real-time. Good for scratch pads. Wiki is better for asynchronous.You can do more with a wiki. Higher fidelity. Easier to link to. Currently, wiki's are webcrawled; etherpads are not. But assume that etherpads will in the future.

One process: etherpad real-time -> move to wiki later (It would be awesome to be able to do this automagically - jhammel) we go back and forth a bit, it's not too bad as long as you don't use rich formatting in etherpad - just a copy/paste

On Naming:

Q: why dashes in URLs? instead of spaces or underscores?

  • A1: dashes are slightly better than underscores for SEO. also you don't have to hit the shift key (faster to type)
  • A2: ... better than spaces because spaces break auto-linkers. when you copy/paste URLs to email / IM / IRC, those mediums autolink the URLs, which break them at spaces.
  • A3: avoid colons ":" in URLs also because it breaks in common linux terminals

Q: Why is Etherpad better than Google Docs?

  • A1: The Text line feature (see the left side of the window) is very useful for directing people, like when on a call.
  • A2: The colors are useful to see who is editing what.

On Syntax

  • Tantek's soap box: Rich editing doesn't work. Not interoperable.
  • Asterisk space is converted into bullets.
  • Double brackets is turned into wiki link in HTML.

Single bracket followed by one space leads to non-wiki site eg.

#redirect:[[Tantek]]

linking

[[link | link text]]

Q: Why MediaWiki as opposed to any other kind of wiki?

  • A: MediaWiki probably the most known interface. So by editing the Mozilla Wiki you're learning to edit wikipedia.
    • DevMo uses Kuma

Editing a user page

Cleaning up spam/spammers

  • edit -> blank
  • comment: "blanked due to spam, block this account"

Add hCard - http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard

Go install the Operator firefox add-on

  • Q: Any comment on Semantic Watchlist?
  • A: I haven't found this to be of any use. - Tantek

Also useful:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/open-in-browser/

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