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Wow, that sounds a whole lot like what Netscape Marketing once said about Netscape Communicator 5 and its planned SmartBrowsing functionality. But thankfully the notes you've put here is more than screenshots. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh Nguyễn]] <small class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Minh Nguyen|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Minh Nguyen|contribs]], [http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html blog])</small> 14:04, 4 Dec 2005 (PST) | Wow, that sounds a whole lot like what Netscape Marketing once said about Netscape Communicator 5 and its planned SmartBrowsing functionality. But thankfully the notes you've put here is more than screenshots. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh Nguyễn]] <small class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Minh Nguyen|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Minh Nguyen|contribs]], [http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html blog])</small> 14:04, 4 Dec 2005 (PST) | ||
== History == | |||
"Firefox 2 history export process needs to be documented (maybe even here)." | |||
== Central Administration / Installation == | == Central Administration / Installation == | ||
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* [[User:tim|tim]]: There should be a default internet explorer theme which is an exact copy of internet explorer including the microsoft flag and the spaces between buttons on the navigation toolbar as this will encourage people who are familiar to internet explorer easily switch to firefox. | * [[User:tim|tim]]: There should be a default internet explorer theme which is an exact copy of internet explorer including the microsoft flag and the spaces between buttons on the navigation toolbar as this will encourage people who are familiar to internet explorer easily switch to firefox. | ||
* [[User:shadowchaser|shadowchaser]]: I completely agree with the comment about MSI packages. MSI packages are an absolute must if Firefox wants to make ANY inroads in the business or enterprise markets. Many IT departments are VERY "Microsoft" centric, and extensively leverage Active Directory or other deployment technologies. Companies are not going to bother installing Firefox manually on every desktop - they need to be able to deploy it automatically to thousands of machines automatically using Windows Installer (MSI). Adding this feature, and support for Windows Policies (ADM templates, etc) would make a HUGE dent in the IE market share. Remember all the reviews of Firefox when it came out? Most people completely wrote it off in corporate environments, saying how most would not deploy it without MSI or policy support. IT shops need automatic deployment, and the ability to force their evil ways onto users (ie/ lock out features). I disagree with tim's comment about an IE fake mode - copying IE exactially would lead to serious trademark issues. Firefox has already strived to have a similar look and feel to Internet Explorer - the only thing I would suggest is to natively support the Windows "Favorites" OS feature. You might want to take a look at the "Open Office" team. They resisted and fought for years against MSI, then finally gave in and now Open Office 2.0 supports it. Why? It's the ONLY way to make inroads into large "Microsoft Shop" corporations. | * [[User:shadowchaser|shadowchaser]]: I completely agree with the comment about MSI packages. MSI packages are an absolute must if Firefox wants to make ANY inroads in the business or enterprise markets. Many IT departments are VERY "Microsoft" centric, and extensively leverage Active Directory or other deployment technologies. Companies are not going to bother installing Firefox manually on every desktop - they need to be able to deploy it automatically to thousands of machines automatically using Windows Installer (MSI). Adding this feature, and support for Windows Policies (ADM templates, etc) would make a HUGE dent in the IE market share. Remember all the reviews of Firefox when it came out? Most people completely wrote it off in corporate environments, saying how most would not deploy it without MSI or policy support. IT shops need automatic deployment, and the ability to force their evil ways onto users (ie/ lock out features). I disagree with tim's comment about an IE fake mode - copying IE exactially would lead to serious trademark issues. Firefox has already strived to have a similar look and feel to Internet Explorer - the only thing I would suggest is to natively support the Windows "Favorites" OS feature. You might want to take a look at the "Open Office" team. They resisted and fought for years against MSI, then finally gave in and now Open Office 2.0 supports it. Why? It's the ONLY way to make inroads into large "Microsoft Shop" corporations. | ||
* [[User:Robert Strong|Robert Strong]]: I am curious if there are any enterprise companies (e.g. 5K+ employees) that have stated, "we would rollout Firefox if it was available as an MSI"? I ask because the enterprise companies I've consulted to have all repackaged the applications they deploy except for Office in some cases. This isn't to say that we shouldn't make an MSI package available... it is to say that I question whether this would really make a dent in the enterprise arena. Most of the time the CTO doesn't even know that their IT group is repackaging the software they deploy. | |||
*[[User:bg carter|bgcarter]]: Have any of you looked at or tried http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/. They have Firefox MSIs for many languages as well as Administration Templates... | |||
* I would like to add that as the network administrator of a major University department we will have to remove Mozilla Firefox from over 100 computers as there is no way to stop Domain Users from changing the proxy settings in Firefox and we are trying to block websites such as Facebook.com and MySpace.com. The fact that Group Policy and .msi installation isn't along with a lack of 'user-lockdown' is the main reason why firefox has not penetrated the 'casual user' market and is relegated to being used mainly by 'computer experts' or the computer-savvy' | |||
== Extension Installation and Upgrades == | == Extension Installation and Upgrades == | ||
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* [[User:matthew|matthew]]: When I'm saving a file and Firefox detects, that I'm on to overwrite another file with the same name, I'm only able to overwrite the existing file or abort, start again and rename it from the beginning. It would be nice, if Firefox shows me a dialog, like Konqueror does, for renaming the file "just in time". | * [[User:matthew|matthew]]: When I'm saving a file and Firefox detects, that I'm on to overwrite another file with the same name, I'm only able to overwrite the existing file or abort, start again and rename it from the beginning. It would be nice, if Firefox shows me a dialog, like Konqueror does, for renaming the file "just in time". | ||
* [[User:Kamasutra|Kamasutra]]: Also, I'd like the "Save Link As..." option in the context menu to bring up the conventional dialog where one can also choose Open. | |||
== CTL issues == | == CTL issues == | ||
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* Veeven: Anti-aliasing of fonts makes web pages look better. I think it may not be possible for Firefox 2.0. But, it is much needed to improve the visual look of any web page. [http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ Amaya] does it already. | * Veeven: Anti-aliasing of fonts makes web pages look better. I think it may not be possible for Firefox 2.0. But, it is much needed to improve the visual look of any web page. [http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ Amaya] does it already. | ||
** I believe this will come in Firefox 3.0, when Cairo will be used for rendering. [[User:Dasch|Dasch]] 11:59, 28 Feb 2006 (PST) | ** I believe this will come in Firefox 3.0, when Cairo will be used for rendering. [[User:Dasch|Dasch]] 11:59, 28 Feb 2006 (PST) | ||
* Please do not put font anti-aliasing into firefox: 1) Your OS can already do this for you and Firefox should stay light-weight. 2) Anti-aliasing of fonts with DVI / LCD displays being the new standard is counter productive. You buy a DVI / LCD so that your monitor will look crisp and clear. Anti-aliasing fonts makes everything look blurry again, and small fonts become un-readable. | |||
== Support for JPEG2000 == | == Support for JPEG2000 == | ||
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* [[User:NisseSthlm|NisseSthlm]]: Private data is both a good thing and a bad. Mostly the Firefox' saving of private data is making the surf experience better, but sometimes you don't want Firefox to remember the websites you've visited during a period of time for one reason or another. At work, for example, you'd want Firefox to remember your Google searches in "Saved Forms" for future access. But on coffee breaks you might want to surf private stuff and "saved searches" would only clutter and disturb when the coffee break is over. By clearing your Private Data you erase everything without consideration. For "coffee break surfing" it would be nice to have a "Stealth Mode" that doesn't save any private data. This Stealth Mode should be fairly easy to switch on and off. I believe all of us use our browser for "important" as well as nonsense surfing and since the nonsense surfing is impossible to distinguish for "Clear Private Data", you'd want to be able to tell the browser that, for now this surfing is nonsense and shouldn't be remembered. | * [[User:NisseSthlm|NisseSthlm]]: Private data is both a good thing and a bad. Mostly the Firefox' saving of private data is making the surf experience better, but sometimes you don't want Firefox to remember the websites you've visited during a period of time for one reason or another. At work, for example, you'd want Firefox to remember your Google searches in "Saved Forms" for future access. But on coffee breaks you might want to surf private stuff and "saved searches" would only clutter and disturb when the coffee break is over. By clearing your Private Data you erase everything without consideration. For "coffee break surfing" it would be nice to have a "Stealth Mode" that doesn't save any private data. This Stealth Mode should be fairly easy to switch on and off. I believe all of us use our browser for "important" as well as nonsense surfing and since the nonsense surfing is impossible to distinguish for "Clear Private Data", you'd want to be able to tell the browser that, for now this surfing is nonsense and shouldn't be remembered. | ||
* This sounds like an extension to me, not a built in feature. Keep Firefox small! | |||
== Reduced Memory Usage == | == Reduced Memory Usage == | ||
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* [[User:t0rus|t0rus]] For vast majority of Firefox users having an anti-phishing feature will be a bliss, and it should definetly be part of the browser. But for some paranoid people Mozilla should give the option to disable/uninstall it. Plain and simple. There's no point of depriving people of it simply because "the big brother is watching you"... | * [[User:t0rus|t0rus]] For vast majority of Firefox users having an anti-phishing feature will be a bliss, and it should definetly be part of the browser. But for some paranoid people Mozilla should give the option to disable/uninstall it. Plain and simple. There's no point of depriving people of it simply because "the big brother is watching you"... | ||
* I agree that anti-phishing should be a plugin not a permanent feature. Firefox is already getting way too bloated. I'm for Firefox just improving efficiency and stability and keeping out all these "extras". Isn't that how Firefox got popular? | |||
== Hotkeys: Accessibility and Web 2.0 == | == Hotkeys: Accessibility and Web 2.0 == | ||
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One of the difficulties for me in recommending FF to casual computer users is the fact that building out their browser with extensions is more than many casual users may want to handle. Whereas I have fun searching out and finding new extensions, these casual users just want to start the system and have it work. It would be helpful if I could export some or all extensions (or URLs of extensions) that are in my system. I could then email this file to a casual user and they could import it in one step. I am aware that an extension that does something similar exists now (Mass Installer); however, I feel this is a basic extension management feature that should be built into the system. Furthermore, this is NOT a request for creation of a 'standard' extension bundle -- your set of standard extensions is likely to be different than mine. Instead, I would like the opportunty to 'publish' my own default set that can be installed by my family and friends. [[User:Emellaich|Emellaich]] | One of the difficulties for me in recommending FF to casual computer users is the fact that building out their browser with extensions is more than many casual users may want to handle. Whereas I have fun searching out and finding new extensions, these casual users just want to start the system and have it work. It would be helpful if I could export some or all extensions (or URLs of extensions) that are in my system. I could then email this file to a casual user and they could import it in one step. I am aware that an extension that does something similar exists now (Mass Installer); however, I feel this is a basic extension management feature that should be built into the system. Furthermore, this is NOT a request for creation of a 'standard' extension bundle -- your set of standard extensions is likely to be different than mine. Instead, I would like the opportunty to 'publish' my own default set that can be installed by my family and friends. [[User:Emellaich|Emellaich]] | ||
Emellaich, I question how many people would use the creation feature and wonder what the probability of someone receiving such a bundle that contains an extension that won't peacefully co-exist with an extension already installed (e.g. multiple tab browsing extensions come to mind). Today you can use JavaScript in a web page to create an install that installs multiple extensions at the same time. There is also [http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Multiple_Item_Packaging Multiple Item Packaging] which provides the ability to package multiple extensions and themes in one xpi. We currently don't have the ability to create new zip archives (e.g. the file type of an xpi) though we can extract. The creation of a [http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Multiple_Item_Packaging Multiple Item Package] could be done by an extension today for those that want to create these types of packages for sending them to others but it would have to use an installed archiving program. [[Robert Strong|Robert Strong]] | |||
[[User:cafeina|cafeina]] Also, a good idea could be a FF version built with the inclusion of few most popular and most used extensions, so that a user can using Firefox right away. Some of them could be: adblock, mouse gestures, fastefox.. | [[User:cafeina|cafeina]] Also, a good idea could be a FF version built with the inclusion of few most popular and most used extensions, so that a user can using Firefox right away. Some of them could be: adblock, mouse gestures, fastefox.. | ||
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My compliments to the Mozilla team for creating this wiki. Great collaboration tool. | My compliments to the Mozilla team for creating this wiki. Great collaboration tool. | ||
[[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 09:21, 19 Feb 2006 (PST) | [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 09:21, 19 Feb 2006 (PST) | ||
You mean something like this [http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opera6dv.jpg Screenshot from Opera]? [[User:ARcanUSNUMquam|ARcanUSNUMquam]] 12:50, 13 May 2006 (PDT) | |||
== Remind me about a page == | == Remind me about a page == | ||
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then you could click on the "somedirectory" and be taken to the root of somedirectory (i.e., somedirectory/index.html) and if you click on "www.somesite.com" then you are automatically taken up to the root page of the website (http://www.somesite.com/). | then you could click on the "somedirectory" and be taken to the root of somedirectory (i.e., somedirectory/index.html) and if you click on "www.somesite.com" then you are automatically taken up to the root page of the website (http://www.somesite.com/). | ||
== Spell improvements == | |||
I notice the plan is to add better spell checking functionality. On OS X this is a big show stopper. Folk are used to being able to have it for free, always on. In additiona, the meta-shift-d to bring up the dynamic dictionary over any word works for every program I have on OS X except Firefox. | |||
== Slipstreaming == | |||
Not sure if slipstreaming is the right term, but I thought it'd be nice if it were possible to save my customized version of Firefox, with all the extensions, favorites, toolbar modifications, etc. The saved product should come in two forms: first as an import/export option that automatically configures firefox; second as an executable installation file. This would be extremely useful for two reasons: | |||
1. As a backup incase the system crashes. | |||
2. As an easy way to introduce my friends and family to my idea of a fully optimized version of Firefox. | |||
== Python support for extensions? == | |||
AFAIR long ago there were plans to extend language base for writing extension modules. | |||
Are there any plans concerning this in 2.0? | |||
== Favorite Download Folders == | |||
I think this would be veeeery useful. | |||
My idea is something like this [http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firefoxidea1nc.png]. You click in one of that folders, then it go to the folder you clicked to save the file, just like if you choose the folder in that combo in the upside. | |||
This image is nothind developed, this is pure MSPaint :D | |||
Sorry if my english is poor, as you can see in the image, I'm brazilian and speek portuguese :P. I am in the intermediate english course... but sometimes my memory fails, hehehe... | |||
Thanks, | |||
[[User:Leonelsr|Leonelsr]] 21:20, 8 July 2006 (PDT) | |||
== Reintroduction of a Necessary feature == | |||
''I don't know where to put this so I hope its ok that I put it here!'' | |||
<ol> | |||
<li>why can't you use Alt-Enter to access the properties of a bookmark? </li> | |||
<li>I really like Firefox but I find that it is missing one key feature for me to transition from Mozilla 1.7.12 to Firefox 1.5.0.4, that is the lack of the same Mozilla "Bookmark This <u>G</u>roup of Tabs" feature in Firefox. | |||
Now I know that Firefox has a "Bookmark All Tabs..." option but unlike Mozilla it creates a folder just like any other and has an option to "open in tabs" at the bottom of the folder. I can see why they did this and it would be nice to be able to enter a bookmark group to access only one tab... Yet it is something that is really rarely needed and could be done by hovering over the tab group for a short while. | |||
Now this might seam like a minor gripe considering all the other positives Firefox has over Mozilla, Yet I am truly addicted to the bookmark group in Mozilla and there are a few main reasons behind this: | |||
*it looks different than the other folders and is easy to distinguish | |||
*one simple click on the bookmark group to open it | |||
*The "Bookmark This <u>G</u>roup of Tabs" defaults to show you the file tree (for lack of a better term) giving you a quicker way to save the bookmark group. | |||
Now I have been unable to find any extention that would allow me to use the same Mozilla bookmark group functions inside of Firefox. Is it possable that this could be included? Pretty please! </li> | |||
</ol> | |||
I REALLY would LOVE a solution to this Please help.... Thanks! -- [[User:UKPhoenix79|UKPhoenix79]] 19:45, 24 July 2006 (PDT) | |||