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<small>(Important bugs for which we need to find owners or additional help. If known, please include suggested team or knowledge needed to advance the bug.)</small>
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; Orange Factor
; Orange Factor
* #1: Spike in Linux shutdown hangs around 10-Feb. Filed {{bug|974004}} to investigate. Possibly media-related?
* #2: {{bug|881413}} - Windows debug crash, often during test_update.js @ TimerThread::Run(). needinfo? request pending for 2 weeks. Will likely disable test_update.js on Windows debug soon due to lack of progress.
* B2G mochitest failures are frequently in the top 10. Have already disabled some problematic tests and will probably keep doing so until things improve.
; Stability
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==The Need To Know==
==The Need To Know==
<small>(Release and system issues that may impact engineering this week.)</small>
<small>(Release and system issues that may impact engineering this week.)</small>
* Only one beta this week (desktop & mobile) because of holiday and {{bug|973971}}
** will gtb today, ship desktop tomorrow and mobile as soon as it's ready
* Back to 2 desktop betas next week
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| <b><center><big>[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type0-1-0=notequals;type0-5-0=notequals;value0-5-0=disabled;value0-4-0=verified;list_id=4754086;field0-1-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};field0-0-0=cf_tracking_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};value0-3-0=unaffected;value0-6-0=verified%20disabled;value0-1-0=wontfix;field0-5-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=%2B;type0-2-0=notequals;field0-3-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};type0-4-0=notequals;columnlist=bug_severity%2Cpriority%2Cop_sys%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate;field0-6-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};query_format=advanced;value0-2-0=fixed;type0-3-0=notequals;field0-2-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};field0-4-0=cf_status_firefox{{BETA_VERSION}};type0-6-0=notequals 41 bugs]</big> <small>(?? bugs last week)</small></center></b>
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===RelEng (catlee)===
===RelEng (catlee)===
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<small>(Repo, test, and other information for engineers from the release engineering team.)</small>
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* We have *some* [https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Elm&jobname=b2g_emulator_vm%20elm b2g reftests running green on EC2 on Elm]
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** {{bug|818968}} - thanks to jrmuizel/armenzg
 
* Re-enabling hg purge on Try this week. This should save us ~10 minutes per try build. Please keep an eye out for build failures or issues that may be due to the wrong source being checked out. {{bug|851270}}
* Tree closure Saturday, Feb 22 ~1300-1600PT (times TBD). {{bug|971818}}
** Try repo will be reset


===Upcoming Outages/Upgrades===
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===Accessibility (dbolter)===
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* FF OS a11y focused team work week in Toronto next week.
 
===Add-on SDK (dtownsend)===
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* johns working on "plugin.js" for shumway which allows for non-plugin to behave and be seen as a plugin object
* nsm working on Service Worker registration


===Firefox Desktop (gavin)===
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* Desktop team kicked off a new modified scrum dev process today for everyone except people working on Australis and Firefox Accounts.
===Firefox Metro (bbondy/jmathies/mbrubeck)===
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* Super focused on converging Synthetic APKs on by default and the new sync for Fx29
** APKs: {{bug|958358}}, {{bug|965324}}, {{bug|967735}}
** Sync: Top priorities {{Bug|969252}}, {{Bug|971972}}, {{bug|967580}}, {{bug|971059}}
* {{bug|959833}} pngquant images landed. Saved 100KB+
* Another API landed {{bug|964447}} for Firefox Hub, we should have some addons for folks to check out, soon
* Thanks to kats for tracking down two issues with AWSY {{bug|971001}} and {{bug|971694}}. He tracked down the cause of {{bug|971001}} and the fix landed. Memory issue is still open
* Eideticker pageload regressions are gone but we need to still figure out dirty start up {{bug|971477}}
* Wesj is looking into two start up regressions. We backed out {{bug|964510}} (delayed startup and follow ups)
===Firefox OS Communications (scravag)===
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** 1.4+ blockers: http://mzl.la/1fvkvZY
** 1.4+ blockers: http://mzl.la/1fvkvZY


===Firefox OS Devices/Porting (mchen)===
===Firefox OS Devices/Porting (ericchou)===
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* Porting
** Tarako
*** Verified wifi function released from partner
*** Keyboard audio is delayed or missing on Tarako ({{bug|967581}})
*** Memory pressure threshold was tuned ({{bug|972130}})
** Flatfish
*** Build system: ({{bug|958452}}, {{bug|960491}})
** Flame
*** SIM2 doesn't work. Have asked for vendor's help.
** Partner issues: ({{bug|962927}}, {{bug|970174}}, {{bug|970154}})
 
* Media Playback
** Integrated MediaCodec into gecko for media playback ({{bug|904177}}, WIP patch uploaded)
** Color conversion between HAL_PIXEL_FORMAT_YCbCr_420_SP_VENUS and RGB565 ({{bug|961627}})
*** Already got 2 solutions, however we need to contact with the reviewer and our legal(Jishnu) to clarify the uncertainty of legal concerns to decide which one should be used.
** Audio playback related issues: work in process ({{bug|942988}}, {{bug|932701}})
 
* Bluetooth
** Fixed 1.3+ issues. ({{bug|969447}}, landed)
** Fixed test case failure. ({{bug|969107}}, {{bug|969109}}, {{bug|971588}}, {{bug|972730}})
** Verified NFC integration issues. ({{bug|970148}})
** The team will restart to refine WebBluetooth APIs next week.
 
* Stability
** Fixed or investigated Tarako related issues ({{bug|970007}}, {{bug|970008}}, {{bug|948828}})
** Partner support and related bug fixing ({{bug|946553}})
** Implementation of about::service ({{bug|964636}})
 
* Device Storage
** SD card formatting, mount and unmount discussion and API integration ({{bug|971615}}, {{bug|971612}})
 
===Firefox OS Media Apps (hema)===
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* 1.3 blockers
* 1.4
** Landed Camera Control API cleanup (909542)
** Landed Image/Video/Music file transfer via NFC (903253, 948362, 948363)
** Started Madai Camera work with partner contributions
** Started Ringtone user stories (Setting and Creating)
 
===Firefox OS Media Recording (cjku)===
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===Firefox OS Systems - Front End (gwagner)===
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* To fix 1.3 bugs,
** 4 remaining bugs
* Haida moved to 1.5 release.
* Working on Download manager for 1.4.
** Need a solution for Bug 946239: [Download API] System app stops getting download progress notifications when the app which started the download is killed


===Firefox OS Systems - Platform (timdream)===
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===Identity (jedp)===
===Identity (jedp)===
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(ckarlof) FxA and Sync
* We need testers! Please use it and give us feedback
* IRC: #fxa
 
(spenrose) FxA on FxOS tree changing rapidly:
* https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=941723
* _6a68 resubmitting Core UI code (https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/pull/15692); H/T kaze, mhenretty, others for guidance
* ferjm advancing force user to re-enter password {{bug|938635}}
* jedp on Single Sign Out and several others {{bug|945363}}


===JS (naveed)===
===JS (naveed)===
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** Compiler (JIT)
*** Removed init time of selfhosting. Not visible due to extra bug.
*** {{bug|929374}} - Enabled Ion and TI chrome prefs. Simple patch but some annoying dependencies to get tbpl green: bug 970645, bug 832437, bug 931861.
** Garbage Collection
*** {{bug|961314 }} - Landed, backed out upgrade of hazard analysis builds to new setup compatible with newer webrtc code. Re-fixed, pending review.
** Front End and Other
*** {{bug|972657}} - Moved the "script too small to compress?" check earlier. This appears to have caused 3--10% wins on Talos's "Paint" and "Tab Animation Test" tests on Windows and Linux, surprisingly enough.
*** {{bug|936740}} - Inline Math.ceil in the last remaining case (input is a double, output is an integer)
 
===Layout (jet/dbaron)===
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===Media (mreavy)===
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* WebRTC/Talkilla work week just ended in MV; more in next week's update
* WebRTC/Talkilla work week just ended in MV; more in next week's update
* Fixed bug with one-way video streams reported by TokBox {{bug|972097}} due to mis-merge; uplifted to Aurora/Beta
* Fixed bug with one-way video streams reported by TokBox {{bug|972097}} due to mis-merge; uplifted to Aurora/Beta
* MediaStream internal redesign underway (padenot, roc, jesup, gcp, etc).  Need to deal better with clock-rate mismatches/drift and reduce delay, and should help WebAudio.  Ping padenot/jesup if you want to be involved
* MediaStream internal redesign underway (padenot, roc, jesup, gcp, etc).  Need to deal better with clock-rate mismatches/drift and reduce delay, and should help WebAudio.  {{bug|848954}} and https://webrtc.etherpad.mozilla.org/mediastream-refactor
** Ping padenot/jesup if you want to be involved
* Bunch of improvements in about:webrtc and stats interface coming soon
* Bunch of improvements in about:webrtc and stats interface coming soon
* Lots of WebAudio fixes have been landing recently from karlt and padenot
* Lots of WebAudio fixes have been landing recently from karlt and padenot
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* We have turned on TCP Keepalive to help detect wedged connections
** for first minute we ping every 10 seconds, then taper off to every 10 minutes.
 
===Performance (vladan)===
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* {{bug|962573}}: Finished profiling Firefox idle power usage on Alexa Top 100 sites. See the ~15 blockers of this bug for specific issues found
** Power use benchmark for Firefox: https://github.com/vitillo/energia . We're working on making it accessible from Try
* New dashboard summarizing main-thread IO reports from Telemetry: http://vitillo.github.io/mainthreadio-dashboard/
** New URL for the SlowSQL dashboard: http://telemetry.mozilla.org/slowsql/
* {{bug|940788}}: Implemented an AWS S3-backed shared ccache for efficient cluster compilation of Firefox
* {{bug|852117}}: We now annotate crash reports with information about nested event loops
* {{bug|943339}}: Capped the amount of navigation history saved in session restore
* {{bug|965788}}: Firefox shouldn't hang on startup when performing addon update check


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* Some cases where we were doing unnecessary OCSP fetching, potentially causing main-thread I/O and other badness, were fixed for Firefox 28 and later. You shouldn't notice anything with these changes, but Firefox is getting faster in this respect. {{bug|950129}}, {{bug|950240}}.
* Some cases where we were doing unnecessary OCSP fetching, potentially causing main-thread I/O and other badness, were fixed for Firefox 28 and later. You shouldn't notice anything with these changes, but Firefox is getting faster in this respect. {{bug|950129}}, {{bug|950240}}.


===Shumway (mbx)===
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* Flash Player "globals" implementation completed
https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/pull/1135


===WebAPI (overholt)===
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* baku landed console API in workers ({{bug|620935}})
* work continues porting DataStore API from JS to C++
** in the meantime, Gene Lian is writing a C++ wrapper for the current JS implementation
* bent is very close to landing PBackground ({{bug|956218}})
** janv is porting QuotaManager (and improving its API) to PBackground ({{bug|961049}})
* ehsan working on image resizing API
* earlier today Harald re-iterated partner requests for some sort of keychain-like functionality on Firefox OS
* Marcos closing in on final manifest spec issues:  http://w3c.github.io/manifest/


==Quality Programs==
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===OrangeFactor (ryanvm)===
===OrangeFactor (ryanvm)===
* Past week's OrangeFactor: [http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ 6.57] (Previous Week: 12.02).
* Have begun disabling more tests/suites that haven't had any visible progress towards being fixed.
* Recent spike in Linux test timeouts was traced to a recent change in the slaves being used on our AWS instances. Change was reverted and reason for increased timeouts is being investigated.
* 19 intermittent failures fixed in the last week - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=allwords&keywords=intermittent-failure%2C%20&resolution=FIXED&o1=greaterthan&v1=2014-02-11&f1=cf_last_resolved&query_format=advanced&list_id=9477923 List] - Thanks!.
===Stability (kairo/bsmedberg)===
===Stability (kairo/bsmedberg)===
* memory poisoning on free() landed in Saturday's nightly.
** We will continue to make improvements to the poisoning system, such as using the reserved memory address.
** Encouragement to poison more things including poison on GC and JITcode buffers on free
* [http://arewestableyet.com/ Overall data] looks OK for anything other than Firefox desktop Nightly and Beta channels.
** Nightly:
*** {{bug|973207}} (HTTP connection) was high-volume but should be fixed in today's nightly.
*** {{bug|973971}} is a Mac-specific crash with Zimbra and other websites, should be fixed for tomorrow's nightly.
** Beta:
*** {{bug|973344}} is a crash in nsTextEditorState::SetValue with botched disabling of &lt;input type=number&gt; that caused crash rates to double, should be fixed for this week's beta.
* On a positive note, Firefox 28 Beta for Android is looking *really* good in crash rates, probably largely due to some GFX refactoring in that version.


==Roundtable==
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===Good Reads===
===Good Reads===
<small>(Links to blog posts, books, videos, etc. that you think will be of interest to others.)</small>
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* [http://gbrownmozilla.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/complete-logcats-for-android-tests gbrown's post wrt to complete logcats for Android tests]


===irc #planning Log From This Meeting===
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13:54 davidb: lmandel: I don't think I can join the dev meeting live, I have readonly updates for a11y and CritSmash (you can call out the latter if you like)
13:54 davidb: also, hi
13:57 elan: lmandel: dbl booked with a android sync ui pow wow but blassey has it covered as usual
13:57 elan: (I just won't see your smiling faces)
14:01 KaiRo: bsmedberg: do you want to voice your pieces of the stability update?
14:01 KaiRo has something to say as well there today
14:01 bsmedberg: yeah, kinda mixes with davidb's update
14:01 KaiRo: bsmedberg: ok
14:01 KaiRo: cpeterso_: so, we have stability voice update today, first part with bsmedberg, second with me
14:02 cpeterso_: ok
14:02 davidb: bsmedberg: you can give my update or modify or whatever makes sense
14:02 davidb: (you filed that bug :) )
14:03 jesup: RyanVM: looking at the bug
14:03 catlee: RyanVM: b2g mochitests still flaky even after reverting ec2 instance types?
14:04 lmandel: davidb, elan: Thanks
14:04 davidb nods
14:05 bmoss: jesup: thanks randall
14:08 overholt: someone needs to mute
14:08 blassey: warp core: can you mute?
14:08 blassey: dougt: ^
14:08 overholt: I think they did 'cause it's better now
14:10 dougt: blassey: I DO NOT DO YOUR BIDDING
14:10 RyanVM: jesup: I see bug 853356 landed on m-c around the time the hangs started
14:10 firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853356 nor, --, 1.3 C3/1.4 S3(31jan), ayang, RESO FIXED, [B2G getUserMedia] Display camera/ microphone permission acquisition prompt
14:11 overholt: blassey, Jon Hylands
14:11 bsmedberg: blassey: rvitillo for desktop
14:11 dougt: blassey: what is that software that compresses the APK?
14:12 blassey: pngquant
14:12 overholt: excellent use of "voluntold", milan
14:12 blassey: lossy png compression
14:12 kbrosnan: questions at the end?
14:13 dveditz: who is speaking?
14:13 bmoss: milan
14:13 bsmedberg: milan, was dougt
14:13 dveditz: thx (I recognize dougt, my boss)
14:13 bmoss: ;-)
14:14 dougt: blassey: what PNGs does it reduce?
14:14 dougt: like all of the PNGs in our application?
14:14 blassey: dougt: we manually ran it on the png assets for android
14:15 jesup: jduell: concern about the impact on mobile... Can they be grouped to avoid lots of different timers firing and spinning up radios?
14:15 kbrosnan: dougt: more or less http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Preparing_images_for_upload#PNG_tips
14:16 dveditz: blassey: isn't lossy png compression "use jpg instead"?
14:16 lmandel: kbrosnan: Questions during the roundtable
14:16 RyanVM: jesup: i'm retriggering ASAN m-oth runs on m-c around the time of the regression as well to try and narrow the range a bit
14:17 laura: I can supply ponies.
14:17 blassey: dveditz: maybe..
14:17 davidb: offline ponies
14:17 dougt: overholt: we have someone working on web crypto.
14:17 jesup: RyanVM: thanks
14:17 overholt: dougt, I know
14:17 laura: davidb: that's the only kind I have
14:17 dougt: yeah, so maybe it satisfies everything they need
14:17 kbrosnan: dveditz: where lossy means choping to 8 bits png instead of using some of the larger formats
14:17 overholt: dougt, I put Richard in touch with them
14:17 overholt: yep
14:17 dougt: but I suspect it doens't
14:17 davidb: laura: the best kind
14:17 dougt: overholt: awesome.  cc' me
14:18 jduell: jesup: keepalive is handled by OS's TCP stack--if it's smart it could batch them, but I'm not sure if any do
14:18 dougt: bsmedberg: awesome.
14:18 davidb: bsmedberg++
14:18 dveditz: or not detect "attacks" so much as users stumbling across attackable situations
14:18 bsmedberg: go give dmajor your love
14:19 dveditz: (it's a very good thing!)
14:19 bsmedberg: dveditz: depends on how carefully the attack is constructed, yeah
14:19 dveditz: true, there are dumb attackers
14:19 jesup: jduell: Bummer.  Worth monitoring.  Keeping the radio active is a big power issue
14:19 jesup: blassey: ^
14:20 jduell: yeah it could be worth turning it off on mobile, at least after the 1st minute.
14:20 jesup: One TCP pinging on 10min is no prob.  If there are 100.... or more... at random intervals
14:20 jesup: Or you could make it depend on the number of sockets in this mode perhaps
14:20 blassey: interesting
14:21 kbrosnan: Linux has support in release
14:21 kbrosnan: for gstreamer-ugly
14:21 kbrosnan: though support for gstreamer 1.0 was added
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