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==== Open ====
==== Open ====
* '''AI:group''' write down desired IMAP offline behavior on wiki page for next week
* '''AI:group''' write down desired IMAP offline behavior on wiki page for next week
* '''AI:emre''' send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review
** emre: not much participation outside of a few people
* '''AI:clarkbw''' different list view?
* '''AI:clarkbw''' different list view?
** clarkbw: draft blog in the works explaining new list view, see [http://clarkbw.net/designs/msg-list-view/msg-view.html html page for ideas]
* '''AI:Standard8/clarkbw''': mac addrbook UI
* '''AI:Standard8/clarkbw''': mac addrbook UI
** standard8: has patch that could get into the next alpha
** clarkbw: continuing to drive [[MailNews:Address Book New Card]]
* '''AI:davida''' schedule postmortem for 3.0a1
* '''AI:davida''' schedule postmortem for 3.0a1
** dmose: not aware this has been already scheduled, maybe tomorrow
* '''AI:davida''' guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
* '''AI:davida''' guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
* '''AI:davida''' bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
* '''AI:davida''' bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
* '''AI:davida''' version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
* '''AI:davida''' version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
* '''AI:davida''' should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
* '''AI:davida''' should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
** dmose: email conversations started regarding these but likely to punt on moving forward; carry over to next week for davida response
* '''AI:group''' read/edit [[Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner‎]]
* '''AI:group''' read/edit [[Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner‎]]
* '''AI:group''' read/edit [[MailNews:Address Book RoadMap]]
* '''AI:group''' read/edit [[MailNews:Address Book RoadMap]]
** standard8: carry these both forward to next week, wait for davida response


==== Closed ====
==== Closed ====
* '''AI:dmose''' mail release-drivers to start 3.0a1 push
* '''AI:dmose''' mail release-drivers to start 3.0a1 push
* '''AI:emre''' send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review: Done on IRC
** emre: updated wiki page, sent to newsgroup


=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1]] ===
=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1]] ===
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* When
* When
** Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific
** Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific
* QA
** There should be a plan for QA in Shredder a2


=== General Planning ===
=== General Planning ===
* {{Bug|375922}} Comment 6 states: "As for Thunderbird 3 there is a significant amount of installer / uninstaller work to be done and much of the work requires adding a manifest which would fix this."
** '''AI: asuth''' — Talk to rob, figure out what needs to be done for {{bug|375922}}


=== QA Updates ===
=== QA Updates ===
* Bugday on [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-05-22|22 May 2008]].
** Only session 2 staffed.
=== Post Session Chat ===
Chat with emre, clarkbw, bienvenu, dmose after meeting about [[MailNews:Better Faster IMAP Plan|Better Faster IMAP]]
* '''AI:clarkbw''' — create design for UI around [[MailNews:Better_Faster_IMAP_Plan#Emre:_Proposal_for_Implementation|Emre's Implementation Proposal]] pieces
* '''AI:emre''' — begin work on offline operation playback feature


=== Roundtable ===
=== Roundtable ===
 
* Status Updates
** dmose
*** reviews
*** trunk/branch discussion
*** shredder 3.0a1 work
*** various catchup
** nth10sd
*** Slowed down pace of activities, post-Shredder Alpha 1 intensive QA work.
*** Found {{bug|434644}}, an IMAP crash yesterday.
*** Occasional bug triage.
*** Also tested download links of Shredder Alpha 1 once release was signed-off
**** There was a slight issue of one platform's links not working properly; rectified immediately pre-official-announcement of Shredder Alpha 1.
** Standard8
*** Bug triage (mainly in the Build component)
*** Auto-complete transfer to toolkit:
**** Fix {{bug|309081}} - synchronised the case of various attributes of the xpfe autocomplete bindings to be the same as the toolkit ones.
**** Started work on implementing toolkit-based interfaces {{bug|370306}}
*** Automated Tests
**** Finished {{bug|432812}} - tidying up how we do the unit test patches, please see the wiki page for more info.
***** One problem is that check-interactive doesn't work properly, see {{bug|384339}}
**** Updated hwaara's patch on {{bug|421050}} in {{bug|434708}} - this will mean that we can do local folder creation correctly in unit tests and drop some bogus warnings.
*** Password Manager Migration
**** Tidied up some of the SMTP Service code {{bug|433687}}
**** Submitted patch for correcting the LDAP URL code, but later withdrew (more issues to sort out) {{bug|419595}}
*** Mac OS X Directory UI
**** Started work on {{bug|397811}}.
**** Looks possible, though a bit of a hack, should be able to tidy it up more before TB 3.
*** Miscellaneous
**** {{Bug|433307}} Fixed crasher / Biff not working regression
**** Fixed some Shredder Alpha 1 topcrashes: {{bug|433853}}, {{bug|433854}}, {{bug|433855}}
**** Fixed {{bug|370118}} - fix our Linux startup script to play nicely with various symlink/path start up combinations (port of FF/SM fix).
**** Reworked fix for {{bug|420616}}
**** Some work on migrating to frozen linkages in fill-in time {{bug|434746}}, {{bug|434748}}
**** Fixed {{bug|434493}} - proposed fix for regression {{bug|434644}}
** asuth
*** in general, a light week due to much Vancouver-move preparation and some Debian/Ubuntu (non-MoMo) OpenSSL fallout
*** {{bug|296453}} - deleting lots of messages can be slow (threading/notification issues)
**** did some duping to this bug during investigations
**** patch in-progress for making nsIMsgMailSession support nsIFolderListener filtering based on "target type"; trying to understand (and document!) the usage patterns a little bit better so I can tell whether there is a more elegant (but still pragmatic) fix possible.  this has led to some more pecobro enhancements...
*** pecobro - began some more enhancements so that I can understand what JS code is using the nsIFolderListener interface.  This can be done using static inference.  Probably 75-80% of the way there now.  (Need to make scoping/evaluation logic potentially aware of types and flow them from XPCOM.)
**** Created an Antlr3 grammar for XPIDL.  (Thought about using PyXPCOM to just reflect the info out, but there's utility in having a direct correspondence with the source file.  Also, less potential horrible issues.)  Not surprising, but all the available XPIDL syntax-y documentation is incomplete and sometimes wrong.
**** XPIDL grokking code added, sufficient for our needs.
**** Minimal XPIDL Pygments lexer created (easier than trying to involve the Antlr grammar.)
**** Added tabs to show the global reads/writes performed by each file, as well as who is known to write to/read from those globals.  Concept of 'global' is currently naive (all files share the same global space) because we don't comprehend XUL overlays yet.
**** Bulked up the javascript grokking logic to do a fairly good job on global reads/writes and general scoping logic.  let/var scoping fairly happy.
**** Processing a full run that I hope to upload and blog about, but I wouldn't be surprised if it explodes. UPDATE: [http://www.visophyte.org/blog/2008/05/20/pecobro-the-tell-you-who-readswrites-what-performance-code-browser/ post is here]
*** {{bug|403132}}, the double-counted DTrace probes bug
**** provided patch (js review is okay, pending make review)
**** cleaned up my DTrace Object File reader a little bit and pushed it to http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bugmail_asutherland.org/dofread/
** clarkbw
*** Slow week working on vancouver move, working visa, and apartment details
*** Talking with a GNOME Icon designer about Thunderbird GNOME integration / visual refresh
*** Added more content to [[Thunderbird:Message Signatures]]
**** Blog entry about [http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/05/14/signatures-in-email/ thunderbird signatures]
**** Contacted mozilla person who wrote an extension for signatures and http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/05/14/signatures-in-email/#comment-5334 commented on blog entry].  Tried extension out and used to update wiki page
**** Contacted by QuickText extension author and got feedback for extension plans, he will also continue to help review changes
*** Added notes to [[MailNews:Better Faster IMAP Plan]]
**** Draft blog entry for offline support
*** Did some statistical measurements on [http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~enron/ Enron Mail Dataset]
**** Half written blog entry explaining numbers and what they mean to the message view
** wsmwk
*** setup and announce bugday 05-22
*** palmsyncinstall related bugs, eg [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434745 Bug 434745 – improve palmsyncinstall.exe feedback when conduit installation/registration fails]
** rick
*** Begin documenting proposed MoMo build infrastructure [[Thunderbird:Build#Build_Machines]]
** emre
*** Worked on [[MailNews:Better Faster IMAP Plan|Better Faster IMAP]] project
**** Mostly did code investigation
**** Started to implement the changes to make Delete/Move operation faster. It is at experimental stage.
**** Listed UX related questions that should be addressed by clarkbw
**** Wrote high level requirements for a possible proxy mechanism based on my understanding of the current codebase - needs review from bienvenu


=== Attendees ===
=== Attendees ===


nth10sd, Standard8, emre, bienvenu, asuth, !wsmwk, rick, clarkbw, dmose


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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

Action Items

Open

  • AI:group write down desired IMAP offline behavior on wiki page for next week
    • emre: not much participation outside of a few people
  • AI:clarkbw different list view?
  • AI:Standard8/clarkbw: mac addrbook UI
  • AI:davida schedule postmortem for 3.0a1
    • dmose: not aware this has been already scheduled, maybe tomorrow
  • AI:davida guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
  • AI:davida bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
  • AI:davida version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
  • AI:davida should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
    • dmose: email conversations started regarding these but likely to punt on moving forward; carry over to next week for davida response
  • AI:group read/edit Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner‎
  • AI:group read/edit MailNews:Address Book RoadMap
    • standard8: carry these both forward to next week, wait for davida response

Closed

  • AI:dmose mail release-drivers to start 3.0a1 push
  • AI:emre send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review: Done on IRC
    • emre: updated wiki page, sent to newsgroup

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1

  • W00t!

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a2

  • Why? - Release goals TBD
  • When
    • Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific

General Planning

  • bug 375922 Comment 6 states: "As for Thunderbird 3 there is a significant amount of installer / uninstaller work to be done and much of the work requires adding a manifest which would fix this."
    • AI: asuth — Talk to rob, figure out what needs to be done for bug 375922

QA Updates

Post Session Chat

Chat with emre, clarkbw, bienvenu, dmose after meeting about Better Faster IMAP

Roundtable

  • Status Updates
    • dmose
      • reviews
      • trunk/branch discussion
      • shredder 3.0a1 work
      • various catchup
    • nth10sd
      • Slowed down pace of activities, post-Shredder Alpha 1 intensive QA work.
      • Found bug 434644, an IMAP crash yesterday.
      • Occasional bug triage.
      • Also tested download links of Shredder Alpha 1 once release was signed-off
        • There was a slight issue of one platform's links not working properly; rectified immediately pre-official-announcement of Shredder Alpha 1.
    • Standard8
      • Bug triage (mainly in the Build component)
      • Auto-complete transfer to toolkit:
        • Fix bug 309081 - synchronised the case of various attributes of the xpfe autocomplete bindings to be the same as the toolkit ones.
        • Started work on implementing toolkit-based interfaces bug 370306
      • Automated Tests
        • Finished bug 432812 - tidying up how we do the unit test patches, please see the wiki page for more info.
          • One problem is that check-interactive doesn't work properly, see bug 384339
        • Updated hwaara's patch on bug 421050 in bug 434708 - this will mean that we can do local folder creation correctly in unit tests and drop some bogus warnings.
      • Password Manager Migration
        • Tidied up some of the SMTP Service code bug 433687
        • Submitted patch for correcting the LDAP URL code, but later withdrew (more issues to sort out) bug 419595
      • Mac OS X Directory UI
        • Started work on bug 397811.
        • Looks possible, though a bit of a hack, should be able to tidy it up more before TB 3.
      • Miscellaneous
    • asuth
      • in general, a light week due to much Vancouver-move preparation and some Debian/Ubuntu (non-MoMo) OpenSSL fallout
      • bug 296453 - deleting lots of messages can be slow (threading/notification issues)
        • did some duping to this bug during investigations
        • patch in-progress for making nsIMsgMailSession support nsIFolderListener filtering based on "target type"; trying to understand (and document!) the usage patterns a little bit better so I can tell whether there is a more elegant (but still pragmatic) fix possible. this has led to some more pecobro enhancements...
      • pecobro - began some more enhancements so that I can understand what JS code is using the nsIFolderListener interface. This can be done using static inference. Probably 75-80% of the way there now. (Need to make scoping/evaluation logic potentially aware of types and flow them from XPCOM.)
        • Created an Antlr3 grammar for XPIDL. (Thought about using PyXPCOM to just reflect the info out, but there's utility in having a direct correspondence with the source file. Also, less potential horrible issues.) Not surprising, but all the available XPIDL syntax-y documentation is incomplete and sometimes wrong.
        • XPIDL grokking code added, sufficient for our needs.
        • Minimal XPIDL Pygments lexer created (easier than trying to involve the Antlr grammar.)
        • Added tabs to show the global reads/writes performed by each file, as well as who is known to write to/read from those globals. Concept of 'global' is currently naive (all files share the same global space) because we don't comprehend XUL overlays yet.
        • Bulked up the javascript grokking logic to do a fairly good job on global reads/writes and general scoping logic. let/var scoping fairly happy.
        • Processing a full run that I hope to upload and blog about, but I wouldn't be surprised if it explodes. UPDATE: post is here
      • bug 403132, the double-counted DTrace probes bug
    • clarkbw
    • wsmwk
    • rick
    • emre
      • Worked on Better Faster IMAP project
        • Mostly did code investigation
        • Started to implement the changes to make Delete/Move operation faster. It is at experimental stage.
        • Listed UX related questions that should be addressed by clarkbw
        • Wrote high level requirements for a possible proxy mechanism based on my understanding of the current codebase - needs review from bienvenu

Attendees

nth10sd, Standard8, emre, bienvenu, asuth, !wsmwk, rick, clarkbw, dmose


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