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== Agenda ==
== Agenda ==


* Who's taking minutes?
* Who's taking minutes? wsmwk


=== Action Items ===
=== Action Items ===
==== Open ====
==== Open ====
* davida: file a bug on getting an announcements feed going on]
* rebron: file a bug on getting an announcements feed going on (reassigned from davida)
* everyone: look for delight bugs for the next release, put [delight] in status whiteboard
* everyone: look for delight bugs for the next release, put [delight] in status whiteboard
* davida: reschedule meeting, to Wednesdays? - calendar folk will be on future status calls


==== Closed ====
==== Closed ====
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* L10N builds:
* L10N builds:
** Thunderbird now has L10N builds
** Thunderbird now has L10N builds
** Thunderbird doesn't have compare-locales / L10n dashboard
** Thunderbird doesn't have compare-locales / L10n dashboard - standard8 awaiting response from axel/sipaq


* String Freeze - Main bugs:
* String Freeze - Main bugs:
** davida expressed concern about amount of time needed to review what's left to land compared to freeze date
** Account Configuration {{bug|422814}}
** Account Configuration {{bug|422814}}
*** No reviews posted yet
*** Backend changes have been posted
*** might be ready in a week -- DavidA
*** discussion: concern about this making b1 given the work to be done, lack of usage to date, possible patch collisions
** Password Manager {{bug|239131}}
*** idea: bring it in as experimental via pref, so ship 2 account configs
*** Still a lot of work to do.
** Password Manager {{bug|239131}} (standard8)
*** At least one good week -- Standard8
*** LDAP patch waiting review (completes ldap changes)
** Gloda {{bug|450494}}
*** Starting to look at rest of changes, i.e. smtp - standard8 concerned about checking in time for string freeze
*** davida: relatively few strings, need to be concerned about UI for upgrading
** Inline card dialog {{bug|450724}} patches (need clarkbw and dan to sort out some UI):
** Inline card dialog {{bug|450724}} patches:
**# We now have Add/Edit functionality in message headers (click on menu)
**# Mechanics: awaiting clarkbw's approval
**# Inline Edit dialog: requested reviews (philor, clarkbw), but need to resolve one issue - discussion after meeting.
**# Inline Edit dialog: requested reviews (philor, clarkbw), but need to resolve one issue
**# Add-on-click: patches ready, awaiting reviews
**# Add-on-click: patches ready, awaiting reviews
**# Star UI: prototyped, need to do proper version.
**# Star UI: prototyped, need to do proper version.
** Improved Message Reader View {{bug|449691}}
** Improved Message Reader View {{bug|449691}}  
*** No patches for review yet. Don't know how many strings are to be changed.
*** First patch posted for ui-review  
** Offline Data Storage Pref Screen {{bug|369096}} (??)
*** rest will go in as series of several patches
** Offline Data Storage Pref Screen {{bug|369096}} (emre) for preemptive message download
*** would like to make b1 but won't block


==== Blockers / Wanted Bugs ====
==== Blockers / Wanted Bugs ====


* Blockers/Wanted:
* Blockers/Wanted:
** {{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|---|}}: 19
** <strike>{{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|---|}}: 17</strike>
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 9
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1&target_milestone{{=}}3.0b1}}: 21
*** Note: spread across two lists, some dups, not all of these are hard-blockers.
*** support for building js message representation {{bug|447842}}
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 14
**** removed from blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+
* {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1?|---|}}:  
*** Better Faster IMAP {{bug|436615}} (emre, et al)
**** needs 1-2 more iterations, close to landing
*** Help applications locale {{bug|450038}}
**** have structure in place, content next
*** imap inline crasher {{bug|454061}}
**** should be easy to fix
*** (see also "3 blockers with no owner" below)
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 15
* {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1?|---|}}: 2


* Fixed:
* Fixed:
** {{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|FIXED|}}: 8
** {{trackinglist|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1+|blocking-thunderbird3.0b1%2B|FIXED|}}: 10
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 11
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 13
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 6
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b1 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b1}}: 9


* 3 blockers with no owner:
* 3 blockers with no owner:
** {{Bug|429118}} Thunderbird inline spell check broken
** {{Bug|429118}} Thunderbird inline spell check broken
*** This has a proposal for fixing it, needs someone to implement/test
*** This has a proposal for fixing it, should be easy, needs someone to implement/test
** {{Bug|453928}} Reevaluate mailnews use of CAPS
*** don't yet know all details, related to enterprise usage, suspect small population of users
*** alternative for b1: add UI for existing pref to disable js
** {{Bug|408370}} STEEL
** {{Bug|408370}} STEEL
** {{Bug|437056}} run a message filter on a folder - "choose this folder" option missing, can't run on folders with subfolders
*** demote for b1 so that gloda lands first, which should help enable STEEL
*** Needs an updated patch.
** {{Bug|452832}} drag and drop multiple messages between folders fails (moves only one)
*** Has suggested fix
* High priority bugs not referenced above:
* High priority bugs not referenced above:
** {{bug|360648}} TB toolkit autocomplete migration
** {{bug|360648}} TB toolkit autocomplete migration
*** Waiting on one review from Beltzner
*** Waiting on one ui-review from <strike>Beltzner</strike> mconnor
*** LDAP code needs doing.
*** LDAP code needs doing - have investigated, hope to fix in between string freeze and code freeze.
** Gloda {{bug|450494}}
*** dan and andrew working on today, Tuesday


=== Thunderbird 3 ===
=== Thunderbird 3 ===
* lots of triage has happened; status = ?
* lots of triage has happened; status = ?
* some question about use of Target-Milestone field
* some question about use of Target-Milestone field
* action item(dmose): email drivers to schedule meeting this week
* action item (dmose): email drivers to schedule meeting this week for 9:30 Thursday


=== QA Updates ===
=== QA Updates ===
* [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/ crash stats] is functioning again (sort of) as of a couple days ago, but
** still no topcrash category for TB3.0b1pre
** Mac symbols only just came online {{bug|448616}} fixed 09-08 - someone Mac should check it out
** they still have more backend work to do (that's the sort of works piece)
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=Thunderbird&datasets=UNCONFIRMED%3A good bugday last week] - North (UNCO) now meets South [NEW] [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=Thunderbird&datasets=NEW%3A&datasets=ASSIGNED%3A&datasets=REOPENED%3A&datasets=UNCONFIRMED%3A&datasets=FIXED%3A&datasets=DUPLICATE%3A&datasets=WORKSFORME%3A&datasets=INCOMPLETE%3A bug chart]
* [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-09-04|last week bugday]] focus continued on [[Thunderbird:PatchLove|Patch Love]]


=== Roundtable ===
=== Roundtable ===


==== Status Updates ====
==== Status Updates ====
* no discussion this week


===== davida =====
===== davida =====
* sick for too long
* some progress on autoconfig dialog -- still lots to do


===== dmose =====
===== dmose =====
* new message-reader view work
* Filed and fixed trunk calendar build bustage (bug 453491)
reviews:
* MOZ_XUL_APP cleanup patch (bug 451909)
* Cannot open attachements in saved .eml files (bug 439431)
* Addressbooks in menulists may become unsorted (bug 450581)


===== nth10sd =====
===== nth10sd =====
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===== Standard8 =====
===== Standard8 =====
* Reviews & Driving
* Autocomplete
** Started looking at migrating the ldap code to the new interfaces. I now have various ideas on how to do this, going to try and fit in once password manager work is progressed.
* Password Manager
** {{Bug|419595}} New patch updated for LDAP.
** Now looking at SMTP changes.
* Inline Edit Card Dialog
** Really need to talk to Bryan, awaiting reviews & more discussion.
* Address Book
** {{Bug|451381}} Updated patch for re-using the new menupopup address book widget in Thunderbird's preferences.
* Build Config
** {{Bug|443351}} Move all of Thunderbird's unofficial/nightly branding items into mail/branding/nightly - fixed official branding.


===== asuth =====
===== asuth =====


===== bienvenu =====
===== bienvenu =====
* Reviews and driving
* More work on autoconfig - working on getting backend changes landed in comm-central repo
* landed fix for {{bug|292643}}, don't clear out identities when removing an account if some other account is using them.
* submitted patch for  {{Bug|262319}} -  sort by thread fails to resort on new incoming message
* submitted patch for {{bug|454298}}: stack overflow in GetIsKilled with mis-threaded messages.


===== emre =====
===== emre =====
* Worked on
** {{bug|436615}}: in reviewing process, awaiting for a new submission
** {{bug|452615}}: submitted, awaiting review
* Working on
** {{bug|440794}}: Async send operation
*** Made some progress. Every folder has their own data structure to store pending messages now. No UI yet. Patch hides the compose window and acts like the email is sent immediately.
*** hwaara is going to work on smtp connection cache issue if his time permits.
** {{bug|439089}}: Auto-compacting
*** Implemented an idle-triggered auto-compaction service. Not completed, work in progress.


===== gozer =====
===== gozer =====
* L10N builds are running, and work as expected
** Many locales still need fixing {{bug|450257}}
* Lightning/gdata builds are running in testing
** Need to finish merging my changes back to the buildbot-configs/ repo
** Need to sort out where to upload the bits
* Time to spin up web infrastructure
** www.mozillamessaging.com
** www.spreadthunderbird.{com|org} {{bug|454268}}
** buildbots.mozillamessaging.com
* Organize a TB Beta 1 Dry Run Release


===== clarkbw =====
===== clarkbw =====
''(won't be on the call, en route to Vancouver)''
* Continued progress on [[User:Clarkbw/Preferences]] and related bugs
* Small improvements to [[Thunderbird:Menus]] for the [[Thunderbird:Calendar Integration]]
*  Reviewed [[Thunderbird:Calendar Integration]] with Christian, need to make sure relevant pieces are assigned properly
* Want to work more on [[Thunderbird:Connection Errors]] and {{bug|123440}} &mdash; annoying connection error dialogs
* Need to finish review of {{bug|231654}} &mdash; Key combos wrt folder pane
* Need to work on {{bug|271589}} &mdash; popups accumulate if they are not canceled


===== wsmwk =====
===== wsmwk =====
*


===== beckley =====
===== beckley =====
* [http://hg.mozilla.org/penelope/ Penelope hg repository] has been populated with code from CVS
* Eudora Classic filter importing fixed and checked in {{bug|432851}}
* DOM Inspector build process modifications updated and checked in {{bug|452851}}


===== KaiRo =====
===== KaiRo =====
* {{bug|452962}} "make install" now works on comm-central
* worked on killing more old cruft, e.g. xpfe-style chrome versions
* some more work for SeaMonkey L10n builds that can make it into Thunderbird configs in the future, e.g. uploading langpacks and more work towards getting localized auto-updates
* {{bug|453840}} make it possible to create files in the final place for releases - for hg-based release process, generating "pretty" package names right from the build system
* SM specific code being frozen tonight for 2.0 alpha, estimate freeze of 1 week or less


===== rkent =====
===== rkent =====


===== rebron =====
===== rebron =====
* Getting team together for web site redesign.
* Working and finishing up {{bug|430762}}
* We're getting the SpreadThunderbird.com domain.  John, from Australia, kept it safe for us since 2004!  We decided on drupal as our platform after evaluating a couple others. {{bug|454268}}
* Working with StarOffice marketing for bundling with the next release of StarOffice 9.  They're expecting a few million installs. 
* Pricing out promotional items with the Thunderbird logos/wordmark that we can give away at conferences or to contributors.


===== mkmelin =====
===== mkmelin =====


=== Attendees ===
=== Attendees ===
dmose, wsmwk, bienvenu, emre, asuth, clarbkw, KaiRo, standard8, davida, rebron


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Latest revision as of 19:47, 9 September 2008

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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

  • Who's taking minutes? wsmwk

Action Items

Open

  • rebron: file a bug on getting an announcements feed going on (reassigned from davida)
  • everyone: look for delight bugs for the next release, put [delight] in status whiteboard
  • davida: reschedule meeting, to Wednesdays? - calendar folk will be on future status calls

Closed

Thunderbird:Thunderbird 3.0b1

  • One week to string freeze (16th September)
  • Two weeks to code freeze for 3.0b1 (23rd September)

L10N builds/String Freeze

  • L10N builds:
    • Thunderbird now has L10N builds
    • Thunderbird doesn't have compare-locales / L10n dashboard - standard8 awaiting response from axel/sipaq
  • String Freeze - Main bugs:
    • davida expressed concern about amount of time needed to review what's left to land compared to freeze date
    • Account Configuration bug 422814
      • Backend changes have been posted
      • discussion: concern about this making b1 given the work to be done, lack of usage to date, possible patch collisions
      • idea: bring it in as experimental via pref, so ship 2 account configs
    • Password Manager bug 239131 (standard8)
      • LDAP patch waiting review (completes ldap changes)
      • Starting to look at rest of changes, i.e. smtp - standard8 concerned about checking in time for string freeze
    • Inline card dialog bug 450724 patches (need clarkbw and dan to sort out some UI):
      1. We now have Add/Edit functionality in message headers (click on menu)
      2. Inline Edit dialog: requested reviews (philor, clarkbw), but need to resolve one issue - discussion after meeting.
      3. Add-on-click: patches ready, awaiting reviews
      4. Star UI: prototyped, need to do proper version.
    • Improved Message Reader View bug 449691
      • First patch posted for ui-review
      • rest will go in as series of several patches
    • Offline Data Storage Pref Screen bug 369096 (emre) for preemptive message download
      • would like to make b1 but won't block

Blockers / Wanted Bugs

  • 3 blockers with no owner:
    • bug 429118 Thunderbird inline spell check broken
      • This has a proposal for fixing it, should be easy, needs someone to implement/test
    • bug 453928 Reevaluate mailnews use of CAPS
      • don't yet know all details, related to enterprise usage, suspect small population of users
      • alternative for b1: add UI for existing pref to disable js
    • bug 408370 STEEL
      • demote for b1 so that gloda lands first, which should help enable STEEL
  • High priority bugs not referenced above:
    • bug 360648 TB toolkit autocomplete migration
      • Waiting on one ui-review from Beltzner mconnor
      • LDAP code needs doing - have investigated, hope to fix in between string freeze and code freeze.
    • Gloda bug 450494
      • dan and andrew working on today, Tuesday

Thunderbird 3

  • lots of triage has happened; status = ?
  • some question about use of Target-Milestone field
  • action item (dmose): email drivers to schedule meeting this week for 9:30 Thursday

QA Updates

  • crash stats is functioning again (sort of) as of a couple days ago, but
    • still no topcrash category for TB3.0b1pre
    • Mac symbols only just came online bug 448616 fixed 09-08 - someone Mac should check it out
    • they still have more backend work to do (that's the sort of works piece)
  • good bugday last week - North (UNCO) now meets South [NEW] bug chart
  • last week bugday focus continued on Patch Love

Roundtable

Status Updates

  • no discussion this week
davida
  • sick for too long
  • some progress on autoconfig dialog -- still lots to do
dmose
  • new message-reader view work
  • Filed and fixed trunk calendar build bustage (bug 453491)

reviews:

  • MOZ_XUL_APP cleanup patch (bug 451909)
  • Cannot open attachements in saved .eml files (bug 439431)
  • Addressbooks in menulists may become unsorted (bug 450581)
nth10sd
jcranmer
Standard8
  • Reviews & Driving
  • Autocomplete
    • Started looking at migrating the ldap code to the new interfaces. I now have various ideas on how to do this, going to try and fit in once password manager work is progressed.
  • Password Manager
    • bug 419595 New patch updated for LDAP.
    • Now looking at SMTP changes.
  • Inline Edit Card Dialog
    • Really need to talk to Bryan, awaiting reviews & more discussion.
  • Address Book
    • bug 451381 Updated patch for re-using the new menupopup address book widget in Thunderbird's preferences.
  • Build Config
    • bug 443351 Move all of Thunderbird's unofficial/nightly branding items into mail/branding/nightly - fixed official branding.
asuth
bienvenu
  • Reviews and driving
  • More work on autoconfig - working on getting backend changes landed in comm-central repo
  • landed fix for bug 292643, don't clear out identities when removing an account if some other account is using them.
  • submitted patch for bug 262319 - sort by thread fails to resort on new incoming message
  • submitted patch for bug 454298: stack overflow in GetIsKilled with mis-threaded messages.
emre
  • Worked on
    • bug 436615: in reviewing process, awaiting for a new submission
    • bug 452615: submitted, awaiting review
  • Working on
    • bug 440794: Async send operation
      • Made some progress. Every folder has their own data structure to store pending messages now. No UI yet. Patch hides the compose window and acts like the email is sent immediately.
      • hwaara is going to work on smtp connection cache issue if his time permits.
    • bug 439089: Auto-compacting
      • Implemented an idle-triggered auto-compaction service. Not completed, work in progress.
gozer
  • L10N builds are running, and work as expected
  • Lightning/gdata builds are running in testing
    • Need to finish merging my changes back to the buildbot-configs/ repo
    • Need to sort out where to upload the bits
  • Time to spin up web infrastructure
    • www.mozillamessaging.com
    • www.spreadthunderbird.{com|org} bug 454268
    • buildbots.mozillamessaging.com
  • Organize a TB Beta 1 Dry Run Release
clarkbw

(won't be on the call, en route to Vancouver)

wsmwk
beckley
KaiRo
  • bug 452962 "make install" now works on comm-central
  • worked on killing more old cruft, e.g. xpfe-style chrome versions
  • some more work for SeaMonkey L10n builds that can make it into Thunderbird configs in the future, e.g. uploading langpacks and more work towards getting localized auto-updates
  • bug 453840 make it possible to create files in the final place for releases - for hg-based release process, generating "pretty" package names right from the build system
  • SM specific code being frozen tonight for 2.0 alpha, estimate freeze of 1 week or less
rkent
rebron
  • Getting team together for web site redesign.
  • Working and finishing up bug 430762
  • We're getting the SpreadThunderbird.com domain. John, from Australia, kept it safe for us since 2004! We decided on drupal as our platform after evaluating a couple others. bug 454268
  • Working with StarOffice marketing for bundling with the next release of StarOffice 9. They're expecting a few million installs.
  • Pricing out promotional items with the Thunderbird logos/wordmark that we can give away at conferences or to contributors.
mkmelin

Attendees

dmose, wsmwk, bienvenu, emre, asuth, clarbkw, KaiRo, standard8, davida, rebron


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