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==== Open ====
==== Open ====


* Autoconfig process - Ludo
* Autoconfig process - Ludo (ludo absent this week)
* Muting status meeting - gozer
* Muting status meeting - gozer (apologies, will get sorted out today)


==== Closed ====
==== Closed ====
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** try server build while the patch is being reviewed
** try server build while the patch is being reviewed
** once it lands dates for b3 and b4.
** once it lands dates for b3 and b4.
* Beta 3 stated as the release for all work with serious downstream work impact (ui, backend, l10n, etc). Anything that isn't like that should be pushed out into Beta 4.
* Driver ownership of bugs
** From a drivers conversation, requiring blocking bugs to be owned by drivers is being reconsidered. Drivers own too many bugs to drive them all. Changing this policy would help reflect reality better, so drivers will consider possible ways to relax/alter that rule for comm-central.


* Blockers/Wanted
* Blockers/Wanted
** ''Note: numbers reduced due to b3 to b4 shift''
** ''Note: numbers reduced due to b3 to b4 shift''
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b3&target_milestone{{=}}3.0b3}} 35 (-22)
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b3&target_milestone{{=}}3.0b3}} 33 (-24)
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b3}} 27 (+2)
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b3}} 26 (+1)
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=%5Bb3ux%5D&sharer_id=1537 b3ux] 15 (-9)
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=%5Bb3ux%5D&sharer_id=1537 b3ux] 15 (-9)
* Proposed Blocking (all milestones)
* Proposed Blocking (all milestones)
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 22 (0)
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 23 (+1)
* Fixed:
* Fixed:
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b3}} 98 (+6)
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b3 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b3}} 98 (+6)
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* Blockers/Wanted
* Blockers/Wanted
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b4&target_milestone{{=}}3.0b4}} 25
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b4&target_milestone{{=}}3.0b4}} 27
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b4}} 1
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - wanted|wanted-thunderbird3%2B|---|Thunderbird%203.0b4}} 2
** b3ux TBD
** b3ux TBD
<!-- ** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=%5Bb3ux%5D&sharer_id=1537 b3ux] 15 -->
<!-- ** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=%5Bb3ux%5D&sharer_id=1537 b3ux] 15 -->
* Proposed Blocking (all milestones)
* Proposed Blocking (all milestones)
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 22 (0)
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 23 (+1)
* Fixed:
* Fixed:
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b4}} 0
** {{trackinglist|TB 3.0b4 - blocking|blocking-thunderbird3%2B|FIXED|Thunderbird%203.0b4}} 0
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* Blockers
* Blockers
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=blocking-thunderbird3%2B&sharer_id=1537 blocking-thunderbird3+] 128 (-6)
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=blocking-thunderbird3%2B&sharer_id=1537 blocking-thunderbird3+] 129 (-5)
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=tb3needs&sharer_id=1537 TB 3 Needs]: 5 (0)
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=tb3needs&sharer_id=1537 TB 3 Needs]: 5 (0)
* Proposed Blocking
* Proposed Blocking
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 22 (0)
** {{trackinglist|Proposed Blockers (all)|blocking-thunderbird3?|---|}}: 23 (+1)


* Please set bugs to assigned status (as well as owner to you) if you want to do them.
* Please set bugs to assigned status (as well as owner to you) if you want to do them.
* If you have other bugs assigned to you that you don't want to do, please reassign or discuss with drivers.
* If you have other bugs assigned to you that you don't want to do, please reassign or discuss with drivers.
* Infrastructure requirements are moving forward (AUS, 10.5 builders, statistics)


=== QA Updates ===
=== QA Updates ===
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=== Marketing Updates ===
=== Marketing Updates ===
* Press watch: [http://www.register-news.com/features/local_story_145222749.html?keyword=topstory Computing Basics part 3], [http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&ncl=drp3SmLJ-ZPGqCMfm-jElRfsFw5_M&cf=all Jetpack news]
* Coordinating with faaborg on Thunderbird icon refresh.
* Interviewing candidates for the [http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/about/careers/ Technical Support Lead] position
* [https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Events/Meet-up/2009-05-26 Add-on meetup] tonight.


=== IT update ===
=== IT update ===
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* Vancouver Phone/Network issues seem to be behind us
* Vancouver Phone/Network issues seem to be behind us
* Buildbot
* Buildbot
** Large amount of refactoring done, one nice effect, standardized names
** Large amount of refactoring done, one effect: standardized names
** Production and Unittest masters are now merged
** Production and Unittest masters are now merged
** Pools now span across all build types
** Pools now span across all build types


=== Documentation ===
=== Documentation ===
* coordinate writing for Mozilla add-ons blog with add-ons / marketing folks
* copy edit / substantive editing feedback on importing article
* draft of overview doc
* review MDC docs on doc standards, style, how-to, etc
* tagging and templating on MDC; hooking up unlinked things


=== Roundtable ===
=== Roundtable ===
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===== davida =====
===== davida =====
working on {{bug|492158}}, {{bug|489999}}, {{bug|454829}}


===== dmose =====
===== dmose =====
* b3 driving / triage
* board meeting minute stuff
* more education/calendar discussion with humph
* worked with various parties to get {{bug|431819}} landed on branch and trunk
* discussed stemming strategies with sdwilsh
* messageHeaderView code discussion w/bwinton


===== Standard8 =====
===== Standard8 =====
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* {{Bug|440794}} Send In Background
* {{Bug|440794}} Send In Background
** Investigated bienvenu's fix for identity setting.
** Investigated bienvenu's fix for identity setting.
** Started looking at removing alert dialog code from back-end to nearer to front-end so that send in background can actually "hide" errors whilst it retries sends.


===== asuth =====
===== asuth =====
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===== gozer =====
===== gozer =====
Vacation time next week: <i>Friday, May 29th - Friday June 6th (pager/phone/e-mail)</i>
* Build
** Lots of buildbot work
*** Builder names are now consistent {{bug|476548}}
**** Platform branch type (i.e. Linux comm-central bloat, Win2k3 comm-1.9.1 check)
*** Production and Unittest masters are now merged
*** Pools span across all build types (when possible)
*** 10.5 Builders (deprecating 10.4 builders looking more and more tempting)
**** Shark builds
**** Unittests comm-central/comm-1.9.1
*** push-to-try for comm-central is a work in progress {{bug|494747}}
** Benchmarked the idea of using source tarballs instead of cloning {{bug|489338}}
*** Results: it is faster! (and saves on bandwidth too)
* Web
** Updated (and fixed) our [http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/ tinderboxpushlog]
* Infrastructure
** <i>Work in progress</i>: hg mirroring {{bug|493152}}
** More configuration managment improvements and cleanups
** Linux 64 bit refplatform/builder: {{bug|486710}}, {{bug|494775}}, {{bug|494776}}


===== clarkbw =====
===== clarkbw =====
* Autoconfig dialog work
* Vista Theme  {{bug|488060}}
* XP Theme landed {{bug|488061}}
* Updated [[Thunderbird:Themes:Supported]]


===== wsmwk =====
===== wsmwk =====
* extended bugzilla editbugs privs to: 0 people
* continuing focus on shutdown and startup, and big memory usage bugs
* posted regarding [http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/browse_thread/thread/22c8255d2b5e2157/e80dc8a203b2c6db?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22Should+NEW+Untouched+SeaMonkey+Bugs+Be+UNCONFIRMED%3F%22+dev.apps.seamonkey&pli=1 Should NEW Untouched SeaMonkey Bugs Be UNCONFIRMED?], which potentially has applicability to Thunderbird.
* tracking/updating topcrashes
* general triage


===== beckley =====
===== beckley =====
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===== rebron =====
===== rebron =====
* contract/legal work for pr firm.


===== Tsk =====
===== Tsk =====
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===== andreasn =====
===== andreasn =====
* Last week
** Account central.
** Multiple messages.
** Activity Manager.
* This week
** Folder view.
** more Account central.
** more Multiple messages.
** more Activity Manager.
** Autoconfiguration dialog.


===== IanN =====
===== IanN =====


=== Attendees ===
=== Attendees ===
davida, gozer, Standard8, dmose, asuth, jenzed, sid0, KaiRo, gary, wsmwk, beckley, rebron, bittin


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Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Agenda

Action Items

New

Open

  • Autoconfig process - Ludo (ludo absent this week)
  • Muting status meeting - gozer (apologies, will get sorted out today)

Closed

Thunderbird 3 Beta 3

  • Planned Freeze Dates ( All dates use time of 23:59 PST )
    • Slushy String freeze date: TBD
    • Slushy Code Freeze date: TBD
    • Firm String / Code freeze date: TBD
    • l10n-mozilla-1.9.1 freeze date: TBD
    • Target Build Ship date: TBD
  • dmose is release driver
  • gozer is build engineer
  • Search will be landing over the next week or two and then we'll finish up the beta.
    • try server build while the patch is being reviewed
    • once it lands dates for b3 and b4.
  • Beta 3 stated as the release for all work with serious downstream work impact (ui, backend, l10n, etc). Anything that isn't like that should be pushed out into Beta 4.
  • Driver ownership of bugs
    • From a drivers conversation, requiring blocking bugs to be owned by drivers is being reconsidered. Drivers own too many bugs to drive them all. Changing this policy would help reflect reality better, so drivers will consider possible ways to relax/alter that rule for comm-central.

Thunderbird 3 Beta 4

  • Release Driver: TBD

Thunderbird 3

We will have a beta4 - quick cycle for it.

  • We're planning on adding one more beta - lots of work is getting done but the blocker list isn't going down as quickly as we need it to, mostly because of the reality that landing big new features adds bugs.
  • Please set bugs to assigned status (as well as owner to you) if you want to do them.
  • If you have other bugs assigned to you that you don't want to do, please reassign or discuss with drivers.
  • Infrastructure requirements are moving forward (AUS, 10.5 builders, statistics)

QA Updates

  • Organized or weekly event - Gmail centered
  • Waiting on gloda to land
  • All FIXED bugs with on-litmus? are now in-litmus+
  • Will make b3 testing plan public once schedule for b3 is done

Marketing Updates

IT update

  • Vancouver Phone/Network issues seem to be behind us
  • Buildbot
    • Large amount of refactoring done, one effect: standardized names
    • Production and Unittest masters are now merged
    • Pools now span across all build types

Documentation

  • coordinate writing for Mozilla add-ons blog with add-ons / marketing folks
  • copy edit / substantive editing feedback on importing article
  • draft of overview doc
  • review MDC docs on doc standards, style, how-to, etc
  • tagging and templating on MDC; hooking up unlinked things

Roundtable

Status Updates

nth10sd
sid0
davida

working on bug 492158, bug 489999, bug 454829

dmose
  • b3 driving / triage
  • board meeting minute stuff
  • more education/calendar discussion with humph
  • worked with various parties to get bug 431819 landed on branch and trunk
  • discussed stemming strategies with sdwilsh
  • messageHeaderView code discussion w/bwinton
Standard8
  • Reviews
  • Holiday (2 days)
  • Blogged about dropping Palm Sync.
  • Did some more thinking about cookie policy bug 492279 - still need to wrap my head around final the core changes that are required (we should be able to get these in as they are ifdef mailnews)
  • bug 440794 Send In Background
    • Investigated bienvenu's fix for identity setting.
    • Started looking at removing alert dialog code from back-end to nearer to front-end so that send in background can actually "hide" errors whilst it retries sends.
asuth
bienvenu
gozer

Vacation time next week: Friday, May 29th - Friday June 6th (pager/phone/e-mail)

  • Build
    • Lots of buildbot work
      • Builder names are now consistent bug 476548
        • Platform branch type (i.e. Linux comm-central bloat, Win2k3 comm-1.9.1 check)
      • Production and Unittest masters are now merged
      • Pools span across all build types (when possible)
      • 10.5 Builders (deprecating 10.4 builders looking more and more tempting)
        • Shark builds
        • Unittests comm-central/comm-1.9.1
      • push-to-try for comm-central is a work in progress bug 494747
    • Benchmarked the idea of using source tarballs instead of cloning bug 489338
      • Results: it is faster! (and saves on bandwidth too)
clarkbw
wsmwk
  • extended bugzilla editbugs privs to: 0 people
  • continuing focus on shutdown and startup, and big memory usage bugs
  • posted regarding Should NEW Untouched SeaMonkey Bugs Be UNCONFIRMED?, which potentially has applicability to Thunderbird.
  • tracking/updating topcrashes
  • general triage
beckley
Penelope
KaiRo
rkent
rebron
  • contract/legal work for pr firm.
Tsk
  • Done
    • diving into pyhton to make runtest support a few options
    • Gmail bug day
    • First draft for my action point
      • If I don't get more feedback I'll probably go public on mdat with it
  • Todo
    • Send email to -testers once the gloda UI lands
    • Start the FFT for B3 as soon as gloda is in the nightlies
    • Continue driving ISP list
andreasn
  • Last week
    • Account central.
    • Multiple messages.
    • Activity Manager.
  • This week
    • Folder view.
    • more Account central.
    • more Multiple messages.
    • more Activity Manager.
    • Autoconfiguration dialog.
IanN

Attendees

davida, gozer, Standard8, dmose, asuth, jenzed, sid0, KaiRo, gary, wsmwk, beckley, rebron, bittin


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