Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-05-13

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Thunderbird Meeting Details

• Tuesday, May 13, 16:30 UTC (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
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Agenda

Action Items

Open

• AI:group write down desired IMAP offline behavior on wiki page for next week
• AI:emre send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review
• AI:clarkbw different list view?
• AI:Standard8/clarkbw: mac addrbook UI
• AI:davida schedule postmortem for 3.0a1
• AI:davida guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
• AI:davida bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
• AI:davida version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
• AI:davida should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
• AI:group read/edit Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner‎
• AI:group read/edit MailNews:Address Book RoadMap

Closed

• AI:dmose mail release-drivers to start 3.0a1 push
• AI:davida review format of status meetings minutes
  • Format of minutes copied from build team meetings
    • People move items during the week from Open to Closed section
    • AI: syntax convention allows for searching across the wiki
• AI:nth10sd
• QA for Shredder a1
  • QA signoff of Shredder a1 occurred on 2008-05-12.

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1

• QA almost completed by nth10sd
• Release mechanics: who owns?
  • rick
    • after QA sez that bits looks good, release lead mails release-drivers that it's ok to push bits to mirrors (done manually, currently only by nick and john)
• david to schedule postmortem
  • ASAP is best, before folks forget
  • but hard to schedule until the release itself actually happens

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a2

• Why? - Release goals TBD
  • Possibilities
    • Better offline experience?
    • AI(group): write down desired behavior on wiki page for next week
    • AI(emre): send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review
    • AI(clarkbw): different list view?
    • AI(Standard8/clarkbw): mac addrbook UI
• When
  • Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific
• QA
  • Shredder a1 QA was done by nth10sd (~3 days); nth10sd not available for a2
  • According to 6-8 week release schedule between alphas, he'll have finished his internship by then and will be on break.
    • There should be a plan for QA in Shredder a2. (see also next testday)

General Planning

• Would to like, as a group, understand better:
  • AI:group: read/edit Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner‎
  • AI:group: read/edit MailNews:Address Book RoadMap

QA Updates

Bug day results constantly updated in a spreadsheet. UNCO Graph continues to look good.

Last Test Bug Day Thursday 8th May 2008

• QA testplan
  • Low number of participants (noted in m.d.a.t that we hit EU vacation season)
  • Litmus trunk tests largely NA, so unused.
  • Used Alpha 1 build and Rumbling Edge release notes.

Next Test Day

• prior to alpha 2?
• driver?

Next Bug Day Thursday 15th May 2008

• Adds recent bugs with no comments to the mix (bugs <60 days old)
• wsmwk largely unable to participate 05-15 due to travel
• wsmwk unable to participate 05-22 due to conversions scheduled @work

Statistics - Overall, current bug break down and recent activity (not just bugday)

• triage rate still not up to pace with rate of bugs being reported: m.d.a.t forums
• by version (product=Thunderbird-only):
  • open/unconfirmed %unconfirmed:
    • <=1.0 89/49 55%
    • 1.5 350/207 59%
    • 2.0 615/297 48%
    • trunk 774/129 16%
    • unspec 3732/2575 69%
      • unspec is bugzilla's default setting
  • no comments other than reporter's (i.e. unworked), open/unconfirmed
    • <=1.0 33/18 - ~40% of the total for <=1.0
    • 1.5 77/48 - ~20% of the total for 1.5
    • 2.0 81/46 - <15% of the total for 2.0
    • trunk 145/20 - <20% of the total for trunk
    • unspec 1258/1104 - ~40% of the total for unspec
      • high percentage (40%) of unspec are "unworked" bugs, relative to vers=0.9-trunk (25%) - not a surprise
• recent activity (product=Thunderbird)
  • 800 bugs closed in last 2 months
  • 520 bugs closed in previous 2 month period
  • so rate of bug closing is up substantially compared to 2 months ago

Roundtable

davida:

• Start page for 3.0a1 is pointless, as 3.0a1 uses chrome URL for that. To fix when we do the Shredder branding. bug 430762
• blog entry on 2.0.0.14 SSL issue hasn't generated much response
• davida to test editing 2.0.0.x start page
• safe testing: what can we do?
  • bienvenu: existing bug on doing what Mail.app does
    • default POP to leave-on-server & delete after 7 days
  • Standard8: mozbackup extension actively developed
• worked on try server patch for other projects; under review

Standard8:

• Shredder Alpha 1 testing.
• Reviews
• bug 418777 Fixed LDAP autocomplete not working for authenticated connections.
• bug 433307 Tidied up nsMsgBiffManager implementation and switched to use nsTArray rather than nsVoidArray (type safety improvement).
• Automated tests
  • Posted Rules and Review Policy for Unit Tests within mailnews/ and mail/.
  • Worked patches on bug 378991 to a review complete state, waiting for core to re-open before these can be submitted.
  • bug 432812 Reworked some of the xpcshell tests wrt setup and clean up to make it easier and develop, updated wiki page.
  • Started to think about start up performance testing. Mainly just thoughts at the moment.
• Switch to Toolkit's Password Manager
  • bug 419595 Reworked nsLDAPURL so that it will provide correctly formatted inputs as required for toolkit's password manager.
• Switch to Toolkit's Autocomplete
  • Initial build config patch bug 370306
  • Started syncing some more of xpfe towards toolkit to make the conversion easier bug 309081

nth10sd:

• Signed-off QA for Shredder Alpha 1.
  • Found 20 bugs.
• bug 218500 got checked in.

clarkbw:

• worked on bugs
  • bug 431819 recommending short term revert and alt tb vs. ff setting
  • bug 249620 pushed forward string change settings vs. properties
  • bug 432865 made recommendation for sender vs. from in quick search
• Message Signatures
  • Created Thunderbird:Message Signatures page for collecting message signatures design. Another small UI improvement
  • Chatted briefly with wsmwk about improvements
• Search
  • blogged about future search areas
  • added new quick-search designs
  • Chatted with asuth about search improvements
  • blogged about new quick-search improvements
• Return Receipts
  • Chatted more with Paolo Iacobazzi
  • Updated wiki page User:Clarkbw/Return Receipt to reflect comments and changes. Another small UI improvement that's possible.

rick:

• 3.0a1 rc built.
• initial stab at momo infrastructure (at least, in terms of # of vm's, macs)

dmose:

• Bits of 3.0a1 driving work
• Lots of catching up on email, blogs, reviews, etc.
• Started thinking about sub-modules for reviewing
• Started entering data and working with OmniFocus in an attempt to get more organized

beckley:

• Working on auto-opening mailboxes that receive filtered messages
• Helping sid0 with debugging and the Bugzilla/CVS process, for desktop search integration
• Dale says he will get some time within the next couple of days to talk to Emre about offline IMAP.
• Will be offline next week, on vacation: 5/18-5/26.

emre:

• Didn't work on bugs last week.
• Holding dummy protocol implementation work until extending the protocol mechanism becomes a priority.
• Data storage and search mechanism diagrams will be up after this meeting. Combined, they provide good understand of the design in-place and about how to extend the search features in back-end. Couple ideas are:
  • Develop an add-on to experiment sqlite based searching.
    • Pros: relatively isolated from the rest of the system, minimum impact/change on the current code
    • Pros: both the existent mechanism and the new one are functional at the same time for experiments
    • Cons: most likely, the code is not reusable
    • Cons: more coding, and add-on mumbo-jumbo (I think this is a technical term)
  • Replace the existent search mechanism by;
    • extending nsIMsgSearchAdapter interface
      • not sure how much work needed.
    • simply replacing the current implementation of nsMsgSearchOfflineMail class
      • simple and dirty. Relatively difficult to share with Bryan and others since it requires patching and compilation.
  • another idea: CLucene, as used in Flock
• Imap offline improvements: Dale hasn't got back to me yet
• Hasn't talk to Bryan about my findings yet
• Next week;
  • I want to work on bugs assigned to me that I couldn't find time to work on last week.
  • I plan to develop an experimental Sqlite based search mechanism - if we decide to go on this direction.

asuth:

• Created tag meta-bug: bug 432710
• Lots of work on deleting-lots-of-messages bug 296453. I think I have addressed all of the fundamental issues, although there's the question of...
  • Should we have a folder-events-only event stream that people can listen for, so they don't have to receive all the message events and just filter them out?
    • bienvenu: could add bit flags to allow for this
  • Created page on threading and the preferences that affect it in the process: MailNews:Message_Threading.
  • (Still need to log a related bug or two and try and get some unit testing for the topological sort logic.)
• Touched base with clarkbw on search.

wsmwk:

• Working with standard8 on palmsync+trunk
• TB 2.0.0.14 missing from talkback - filed bug 433234

Attendees

asuth, beckley, bienvenu, clarkbw, davida, dmose, emre, nth10sd, Standard8, wsmwk