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| | Calculus |
| | Topics in calculus |
| | Fundamental theorem | Function | Limits of functions | Continuity | Calculus with polynomials | Mean value theorem | Vector calculus | Tensor calculus |
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| | Differentiation |
| | Product rule | Quotient rule | Chain rule | Implicit differentiation | Taylor's theorem | Related rates |
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| | Integration |
| | Integration by substitution | Integration by parts | Integration by trigonometric substitution | Solids of revolution | Integration by disks | Integration by cylindrical shells | Improper integrals | Lists of integrals |
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| | For other uses of the term calculus see calculus (disambiguation) |
| | Calculus is a central branch of mathematics, developed from algebra and geometry, and built on two major complementary ideas. |
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| I'd like to understand the reasons why people are interested to keep SeaMonkey alive. I know mine (BenBucksch) are very different from those of some users.
| | One concept is differential calculus. It studies rates of change, which are usually illustrated by the slope of a line. Differential calculus is based on the problem of finding the instantaneous rate of change of one quantity relative to another. Examples of typical differential calculus problems are finding the following quantities: |
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| | The acceleration and speed of a free-falling body at a particular moment. |
| | The loss in speed and trajectory of a fired projectile, such as an artillery shell or bullet. |
| | Change in profitability over time of a growing business at a particular point in time. |
| | The other key concept is integral calculus. It studies the accumulation of quantities, such as areas under a curve, linear distance traveled, or volume displaced. Examples of integral calculus problems include finding the following quantities: |
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| | The amount of water pumped by a pump with a set power input but varying conditions of pumping losses and pressure. |
| | The amount of money accumulated by a business under varying business conditions. |
| | The amount of parking lot plowed by a snowplow of given power with varying rates of snowfall. |
| | The two concepts, differentiation and integration, define inverse operations in a sense made precise by the fundamental theorem of calculus. In teaching calculus, either concept may be given priority. The usual educational approach is to introduce differential calculus first. |
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| | 1 History |
| | 2 Differential calculus |
| | 3 Integral calculus |
| | 4 Foundations |
| | 5 Fundamental theorem of calculus |
| | 6 Applications |
| | 7 See also |
| | 8 Further reading |
| | 9 External links |
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| =Council=
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| ==Christian Biesinger==
| | History |
| What I want in Seamonkey...
| | Main article: History of calculus |
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| * I want a browser for "me" not necessarily for "everyone"
| | Though the origins of integral calculus are generally regarded as going no farther back than to the ancient Greeks, there is evidence that the ancient Egyptians may have harbored such knowledge as well. (See Moscow Mathematical Papyrus.) Eudoxus is generally credited with the method of exhaustion, which made it possible to compute the area and volume of regions and solids. Archimedes developed this method further, while also inventing heuristic methods which resemble modern day concepts. An Indian Mathematician, Bhaskara (1114-1185), gave an example of what is now called the "differential coefficient" and the basic idea of what is now known as "Rolle's theorem". The 14th century Indian mathematician Madhava along with other mathematicians of the Kerala school made major inroads into Calculus that were not repeated anywhere in the world until the 17th century by Newton and Leibniz. Leibniz and Newton are usually designated the inventors of calculus, mainly for their separate discoveries of the fundamental theorem of calculus and work on notation. |
| ** Focus on "power users"
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| * Less focus on extensions, default install should contain stuff people want
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| * More control and choice to the user
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| * Integrated Browser and Mail/News-Client (needs not be same process, but should work well together, share settings, etc)
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| ==Chris Thomas==
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| Pretty much what Christian Biesinger said.
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| * I want a product that fits my needs. I'm not concerned about "winning the browser war".
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| * Extensions aren't important to me. If autoscroll and flashblock were incorporated, I wouldn't use any. That said, supporting extensions well is not a bad thing.
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| * I like how our pref window has so many options - it needs to be reorganized, but having control through the UI is nice. I often see Firefox users needing to modify options in "about:config", which isn't a good thing.
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| =Developers and QA=
| | There has been considerable debate about whether Newton or Leibniz was first to come up with the important concepts of calculus. The truth of the matter will likely never be known. Leibniz' greatest contribution to calculus was his notation; he often spent days trying to come up with the appropriate symbol to represent a mathematical idea. This controversy between Leibniz and Newton was unfortunate in that it divided English-speaking mathematicians from those in Europe for many years, setting back British analysis (i.e. calculus-based mathematics) for a very long time. Newton's terminology and notation was clearly less flexible than that of Leibniz, yet it was retained in British usage until the early 19th century, when the work of the Analytical Society successfully saw the introduction of Leibniz's notation in Great Britain. It is now thought that Newton had discovered several ideas related to calculus earlier than Leibniz had; however, Leibniz was the first to publish. Today, both Leibniz and Newton are considered to have discovered calculus independently. |
| ==Ben Bucksch==
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| ===Reasons to keep SeaMonkey===
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| Developed 2 browsers based on it and need to keep them thriving
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| ===Problems with Firefox===
| | Lesser credit for the development of calculus is given to Barrow, Descartes, de Fermat, Huygens, and Wallis. A Japanese mathematician, Kowa Seki, lived at the same time as Leibniz and Newton and also elaborated some of the fundamental principles of integral calculus, though this was not known in the West at the time, and he had no contact with Western scholars. [1] |
| * Extreme instability code-wise (impossible to base derivates on it)
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| * [http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/browser/Attic/README.html&rev=1.10&root=/cvsroot 'We're not accepting patches'] shows [http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Ir8kaQgapxAJ:weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/005275.html general attitude of some developers]
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| ===Desired changes to SeaMonkey===
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| * Cleaner UI (at least removing redundant UI)
| | Differential calculus |
| * make browser and mail client different processes
| | Main article: Derivative |
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| | The derivative measures the sensitivity of one variable to small changes in another variable. Consider the formula: |
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| ==Alex Vincent==
| | for an object moving at constant speed. |
| Our company's corporate product uses Mozilla Application Suite (not Mozilla Firefox). For various reasons, the 1.7.x series was not adequate for our needs. Further stable builds are in my employer's interest. (I should note I'm not being paid to work on these Mozilla releases.)
| | One's speed in a car describes the change in location relative to the change in time. However, the speed itself may be changing and the formula above cannot account for that. Calculus deals with this more complex but natural and familiar situation. |
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| ==R.J. Keller==
| | Differential calculus determines the instantaneous speed, at any given specific instant in time, not just average speed during an interval of time. The formula Speed = Distance/Time applied to a single instant is the meaningless quotient "zero divided by zero". This is avoided, however, because the quotient Distance/Time is not used for a single instant (as in a still photograph), but for intervals of time that are very short. |
| Most of what Biesinger said. I'd like the ability to click on Edit this Page and it opens in an editor without eating up more memory with a new application instance and really prefer seamonkey over Firefox. I believe it has a lot of potential.
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| ===Changes I'd like to see/implement in Seamonkey===
| | The derivative answers the question: as the elapsed time approaches zero, what does the average speed computed by Distance/Time approach? In mathematical language, this is an example of "taking a limit." |
| * I'd like to rewrite the Help Viewer documentation, which is badly needed.
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| * prefs are poorly organized.
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| * new review policy that sets XUL and JS changes to require only review and no review necessary for module owners.
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| =End Users=
| | More formally, differential calculus defines the instantaneous rate of change (the derivative) of a mathematical function's value, with respect to changes of the variable. The derivative is defined as a limit of a difference quotient. |
| ==Isaac==
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| Firefox is supposed to be the best browser. Thunderbird is supposed to be the best e-mail client. Or at least they try to be. So it makes sense that I would use both e-mail and browser. Yes? Makes sense? (Who doesn't keep an e-mail client and browser up nowadays anyways?)
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| Well, if I always use both browser and e-mail, why not just use the SeaMonkey suite?
| | The derivative of a function gives information about small pieces of its graph. It is directly relevant to finding the maxima and minima of a function — because at those points the graph is flat (i.e. the slope of the graph is zero). Another application of differential calculus is Newton's method, an algorithm to find zeroes of a function by approximating the function by its tangent lines. Differential calculus has been applied to many questions that are not first formulated in the language of calculus. |
| So far to date, neither Firefox or Thunderbird has demonstrated ANY compelling reason to switch. Yes, it looks a bit different, yes there are a few different options. None of these are something that can't be in the suite. Fire up Firefox+Thunderbird together and they chew up more resources than just the suite itself.
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| So how about tell the users why they might want to choose the individual components instead of the suite? Firefox and Thunderbird have not even come close to meeting the goals of being smaller, faster, lighter. Worse, it doesn't even look like a trend is going in that direction.
| | The derivative lies at the heart of the physical sciences. Newton's law of motion, Force = Mass × Acceleration, has meaning in calculus because acceleration is a derivative. Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism and Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) are also expressed in the language of differential calculus, as is the basic theory of electrical circuits and much of engineering. |
| I could use Firefox + my own e-mail client, but Firefox appears just as fat as Mozilla, so why not use that? Plus with the suite, the e-mail and browser play nicer together (e.g. open links in new tabs in the background).
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| | Integral calculus |
| | Main article: Integral |
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| ==Owen Marshall==
| | The definite integral evaluates the cumulative effect of many small changes in a quantity. The simplest instance is the formula |
| I can't really lump myself into the developers category; the best I can do is QA and documentation!
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| Personally, I prefer the SeaMonkey UI, and the tight integration between each component. I also think Firefox feels more like an exclusionary team rather than an open source project. But that's just me ;-)
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| | for calculating the distance a car moves during a period of time when it is traveling at constant speed. The distance moved is the cumulative effect of the small distances moved in each of the many seconds the car is on the road. The calculus is able to deal with the natural situation in which the car moves with changing speed. |
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| | Integral calculus determines the exact distance traveled during an interval of time by creating a series of better and better approximations, called Riemann sums, that approach the exact distance. |
| * An update feature like Firefox, but a little more intelligent -- for example, in-place upgrading using the XPI's rather than downloading the installer... that may be totally impossible but would be awesome! I may learn Mozilla just to try implementing something like this
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| | More formally, we say that the definite integral of a function on an interval is a limit of Riemann sum approximations. |
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| | Applications of integral calculus arise whenever the problem is to compute a number that is in principle (approximately) equal to the sum of the solutions of many, many smaller problems. |
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| What do you prefer about the SeaMonkey UI? -- BenBucksch
| | The classic geometric application is to area computations. In principle, the area of a region can be approximated by chopping it up into many very tiny squares and adding the areas of those squares. (If the region has a curved boundary, then omitting the squares overlapping the edge does not cause too great an error.) Surface areas and volumes can also be expressed as definite integrals. |
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| I have an autoupdater that I could contribute. It doesn't use XPIs (at least not yet), but just compares files, though. But I am generally very interested in updater solutions. -- BenBucksch
| | Many of the functions that are integrated are rates, such as a speed. An integral of a rate of change of a quantity on an interval of time tells how much that quantity changes during that time period. It makes sense that if one knows their speed at every instant in time for an hour (i.e. they have an equation that relates their speed and time), then they should be able to figure out how far they go during that hour. The definite integral of their speed presents a method for doing so. |
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| ==Davide Baroncelli==
| | Many of the functions that are integrated represent densities. If, for example, the pollution density along a river (tons per mile) is known in relation to the position, then the integral of that density can determine how much pollution there is in the whole length of the river. |
| Well, I'd love to contribute, but I'm mainly a java server-side developer, and I'm afraid it would take some time before I could really do something useful for the suite. But I absolutely prefer it to FF: not for the "suite" thing, though: I do prefer the browser. I never use mail (using Eudora), chat (no IRC) or anything else (for web development activities I'd rather use NVU ;) ).
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| Why mozilla? Well:
| | Probability, the basis for statistics, provides one of the most important applications of integral calculus. |
| 1) Multizilla
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| 3) Multizilla
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| 4) Deeper configurability than FF (even wider with Multizilla...)
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| 5) Searches from URL bar
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| 6) Did I mention Multizilla?
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| ==David Madore==
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| I can't stand the firefox user interface (the worst offender is the separation of search bar and URL bar: why anyone would actually ''like'' this waste of precious screen estate simply beats me; the sidebar is also pretty useless in comparison to seamonkey's). But it also looks as though many useful mozilla features (aka "bloat") were made into extensions in firefox, and, well, extensions just don't work seamlessly and they're a pain to install (random example, venkman: things may have changed, but last time I checked it didn't work very well with firefox, and probably not at all with thunderbird).
| | Foundations |
| | The rigorous foundation of calculus is based on the notions of a function and of a limit; the latter has a theory ultimately depending on that of the real numbers as a continuum. Its tools include techniques associated with elementary algebra, and mathematical induction. |
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| To summarize, it's not so much that I like seamonkey (though I do, and very much) than that I dislike firefox/thunderbird.
| | The modern study of the foundations of calculus is known as real analysis. This includes full definitions and proofs of the theorems of calculus. It also provides generalisations such as measure theory and distribution theory. |
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| ==Vladimir Simovic aka Perun==
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| I like the Websuite-Concept (all-in-one). Because when im online i'm using the Browser, the Mail, the Adressbook and from time to time the IRC-Client (Chatzilla). And why should i now install 3 different Programms for this. Since the first time on the Web (around 1997) i'm using a Websuite (at this Time Netscape 4.x) and from Aug./Sep. 2002 Mozilla 1.0. For very short time, between NN 4.x and Mozilla 1.0, IE6&OE. But this was pain in the neck. :-)
| | Fundamental theorem of calculus |
| | The fundamental theorem of calculus states that differentiation and integration are, in a certain sense, inverse operations. More precisely, antiderivatives can be calculated with definite integrals, and vice versa. |
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| So i hope the Websuite-Concept will continue in some way. Otherwise i will switch to Opera. For me a Browser is not only a Webbrowser. For me a Browser is also a webworking-tool and a PIM.
| | This connection allows us to recover the total change in a function over some interval from its instantaneous rate of change, by integrating the latter. |
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| My "wishlist" for the future is better integration between Seamonkey and Open Office, a small RSS-Reader and maybe anstead of Composer a Codeeditor (something like [[http://mozedit.mozdev.org/ Mozedit]]) and if possibe a notes-function.
| | This realization, made by both Newton and Leibniz, was key to the massive proliferation of analytic results after their work became known. |
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| And so far is possible i will help to this Project. I'm Enduser but there are Ways how also Enduseres can help.
| | The fundamental theorem provides an algebraic method of computing many definite integrals --without performing limit processes--by finding formulas for antiderivatives. It is also a prototype solution of a differential equation. Differential equations relate an unknown function to its derivatives, and are ubiquitous in the sciences. |
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| ==Alexander Rabtchevich==
| | 1st Fundamental Theorem of Calculus: If a function f is continuous on the interval [a, b] and F is an antiderivative of f on the interval [a, b], then |
| I use Mozilla from the first public builds, so I got used to its interface and features.
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| <li>All-in-one product. One should not search for and download plugins, which provide rather basic functionality on the one hand and are not guaranteed, tested or supported on the other hand.
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| <li>All-in-one product. The initial idea of FF, TB creation was to decrease the resources consumption. But this could only be done via shared libraries used by all products. That was not done. So now Mozilla consumes less or equal memory than FF on the same PC and if TB is ran the memory consumption exceeds Mozilla's.
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| | 2nd Fundamental Theorem of Calculus: If f is continuous on an open interval I containing a, then, for every x in the interval, |
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| <li>All-in-one product. The integration between browser and mail allows to open links in mail in browser tabs and vice versa. Also it's only one program instead of two opened which notifies of new mail.
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| | The development and use of calculus has had wide reaching effects on nearly all areas of modern living. It underlies nearly all of the sciences, especially physics. Virtually all modern developments such as building techniques, aviation, and other technologies make fundamental use of calculus. Many algebraic formulas now used for ballistics, heating and cooling, and other practical sciences were worked out through the use of calculus. In a handbook, an algebraic formula based on calculus methods may be applied without knowing its origins. |
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| <li>Convenient interface to settings adjustment. There are some "commonly used" settings like paths to user settings, cache and mail directories that user is to have the ability to adjust. This is only the most misunderstanding shortage of FF compared to Mozilla.
| | The success of calculus has been extended over time to differential equations, vector calculus, calculus of variations, complex analysis, and differential topology. |
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| <li>Text only apperance also shows the small icons. This is very convenient while saving the space.
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| <li>The ability to bookmark a group of tabs via convenient interface. The ability to open group of tabs in new tabs. Also I'd like to see the FF ability to open each bookmark directory as a groop of bookmarks.
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| <li>Classic default interface compared to "childish" FF's. This also concerns the bookmarks editing interface.
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| <li>Very good history manager. Also I'd like to have the ability to "undo" tab closing, which may happen accidentally. There is the issue for this wish with lots of duplicates. (Added note: undo tab closing is already implemented in the excellent [https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=mozilla&category=Tabbed%20Browsing&numpg=10&id=164 Multizilla] extension.)
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| <li>Much more stable and polished product than FF+TB.
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| What I'd like to see in Mozilla:
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| <li>Integration of the latest nui code instead of the current composer.
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| <li>Virtual folders as in TB.
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| <li>RSS client.
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| <li>SVG and maybe Mathml support.
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| Long live Mozilla!
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| ==Nikulin Pavel aka FUBAr==
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| I use mozilla since very old times when opera was very popular becaus NN became<br> very decrepit.Mozilla was like a fresh air in ages of total<br> comercializatoin. Now mozilla was killed by stupid mofo becaus casual<br> FF can give more users.<br>
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| REMEMBER - OPERA IS A DARK SIDE :-)
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| ==Renard Benoît==
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| I have used Mozilla since version 1.2, because of recommendations from a fellow message board poster.
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| Why I like Mozilla:
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| * Tight integration between browser, mail client and IRC client.
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| * Complete interface, with many options.
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| * Rock-stable.
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| How I would like to see Mozilla evolve:
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| * Start using the new toolkit.
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| * Fix many bugs, no matter how unimportant to the overall product. Some of these can be annoying to certain users.
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| * More Mac-friendly. They deserve as much support as the other users.
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| * After fixing current problems, start to implement new features.
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| ==Matthias Berndt==
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| I use the Suite, because
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| <ul><li>I'm used to it
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| <li>The Suite is a lot more stable than the single Apps
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| <li>I only have to install one version of the GRE, while FF, TB, SB, NVU require their own (though afaik this will be fixed soon)
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| <li>The preferences dialog is about 1000 times better
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| <li>I can install everything at once, but i don't have to.
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| <li>The modern theme looks a lot better than the default Firefox theme (IMO)
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| I'd like someone to
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| <ul><li>add the following features from FF:<ul><li>The new search dialog<li>the Extensions Manager<li>the ability to open a bookmark in a new tab by middle-clicking it<li>the update features<li>configurable toolbars</ul>
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| <li>make the "modern" theme the default.
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| <li>activate SVG and MNG support and add the MathML fonts to the package
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| <li>add synchronisation features for PDAs, cellphones (Siemens! I have an SL55) etc. to the mail component. This should be fairly easy under Windows)
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| <li>i heard that the bayes spam filter in TB works better than the one in Mozilla Mail, so somebody might integrate the one from TB in the Mozilla Mail component.
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| <li>add an option to choose whether document.all support should be detectable (document.all==true) or not (document.all=false)
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| <li>make the receive email button get the mail from all the accounts instead of just the main account (or make this configurable)
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| <li>make the account settings in the mail component clearer (SMTP Server configuration, IMHO it's nonsense that by default you don't have to specify an SMTP Server for every account. Every decent email provider has SMTP-login enabled nowadays)
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| <li>when i install the mozilla language pack (i'm german) and then upgrade Chatzilla, it won't work anymore unless i set the language back to english, this should be fixed by separating the Chatzilla Language Packs from the Moz Suite language packs. After all Chatzilla is not a real Mozilla component since it's available as an extension for FF, too.
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| <li>add a better Bookmark Management
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| <li>make the Extension API as similar to Firefox' as possible, so that extensions without "official" Seamonkey Support work.
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| That's it for the moment. Oh, and PLEASE DON'T just bundle the separate apps into a "new" suite, for at least FF s***s far too much
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| ==[[User:Oscar|Oscar C. Lee]]==
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| I have chosen Mozilla Suite for a number of years over not just Firefox/Thunderbird/Nvo but all other solutions that are available because it has browser, mail client, HTML editor, and IRC client all integrated as one unified open source solution. Combined with the brand and marketing powers of Mozilla Foundation, it is unique and irreplaceable to IT and business communities alike.
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| What I would like to see in SeaMonkey in the future: RSS reader.
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| ==[[User:KDS|KDS Sahambi]]==
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| I volunteer to work with [http://wiki.mozilla.org/wiki/SeaMonkey:Reasons#R.J._Keller R.J.Keller] for improving Help Documentation. One of the most important reasons I like Seamonkey is because of its '''superior Bookmarks Manager(BM)'''. One important feature missing from the BM, is highlighting of some sort for 'active bookmark folder'. Porting Seamonkey to the XUL toolkit would be best thing to happen as it will allow all new features Firefox has with the added feature of being a single application. Composer misses a robust implementation of publishing via ftp. An '''ssh option''' in the publisher would be great to have.
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| ==Dan Mellem==
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| # I like getting all of the features in one, supported installation instead of depending on 3rd-party extensions.
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| # I hate sidebars and tabs. Some of it can be changed with about:config in Firefox but many of the windows were removed.
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| ==Juergen B.==
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| # I'd like to have seperate processes for browser, mail, news, irc, etc., allowing individual installers, but integrating into existing other parts of the suite (without downloading the full suite!).
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| # FF/TB sucks as they are completely seperate products.
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| # Seamonkey shall remain highly integrated, but allow transfer of Mozilla settings (TB, FF, etc.) back into the "suite" (including security features - passwords, certificates, etc.).
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| ==Pavel Alexeev==
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| I use Seamonkey because:
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| <ul><li>i can edit web pages with Composer (this is great for the simple htmls),
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| <li>all components use (and load in memory) only one set of gecko libraries,
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| <li>mozilla is faster than ff, eats less memory and has less memory leaks,
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| <li>mozilla has more preferences in "Edit -> Preferences".
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| What i (and my friends who use ff instead of mozilla because of this) missed is the text field autocompleting like in ff and IE (not only for the text forms and address line like it is currently in mozilla).
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| ==Donald Axel==
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| I use Mozilla (seamonkey? If I had known that name I wouldn't have used it;-) because:
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| Some years ago I read articles by "Joe Burns, ph.d" about webdesign
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| asked the common user how a browser should be. You can have the newest
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| Internet Traveller or Tourist or Explorer "which is so much improved",
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| but none of these improvements were based on what customers want.
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| I prefer Mozilla because it gives me most security and I think (I am not
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| sure) that you can tweak the security settings more with Mozilla than with Firefox.
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| I have installed a third party extra which blocks flash.
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| Mozilla is easy to configure and the results are satisfactory. Therefore!
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| ==Mike Feeney==
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| I prefer the browser in Seamonkey to Firefox because
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| # It doesn't constantly look for favicon.ico files it shouldn't be (annoying to me as a website owner).
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| # It has an easy to find option for making animated GIFs only loop once or not at all. In Firefox I have to edit about:config and it doesn't seem to save the preference between sessions.
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| # Shift+Enter in location bar does Save As.
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| # Find works the way I expect (and prefer) it to.
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| # Bookmarks management is a lot better (at least since the Moz1.8 alphas).
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| # Interface is a bit less gaudy.
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| # Menus are organized better.
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| By #4, I am referring to what happens when I press Ctrl+F, although I like being able to find links as I type too. It helps me use the mouse less (I hate using the mouse).
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| Also, I like using Composer as a simple and convenient word processor for documents that are going to end up online.
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| ==Joseph Kiser==
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| I've been using the suite off and on since Milestone 14, and it's been my default browser since version .9 something. It is sad to see the Mozilla Foundation turn its back on the product that spearheaded this movement for so long. I love the new features in 1.8b; the startup time is much better than previous versions, virtual folders are a godsend, and the program feels so much more mature than Firefox. That's not to say that Firefox isn't a good browser, it's just that I've been using the suite for so long and appreciate integrated e-mail (new message notifications when the email client is closed) without having to load two separate programs.
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| There are only a few features I can think of which would, in the future, make this program (whatever its name ends up being) even better. First of all, the default theme should be changed. I'm not sure to what yet, but the old Netscape purple icons are dated, and reminiscant of the Windows 95 days. Nothing over the top (like Modern), just something that blends in with the operating system (using the system scrollbars/fonts/colors) and has aesthetically pleasing icons. I like the icons on the Camino browser; maybe we could use these as a reference point.
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| Another thing that I would like to see is that the Bookmarks menu be redone in such a manner that when one scrolls through the list, the bookmark options (Bookmark this Page, File Bookmark, etc) stay at the top of the list. I have hundreds of bookmarks saved, and it would be nice to be able to scroll through them without having these options disappear.
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| Finally, it would be nice to have an option to block images on certain pages, but keep them loaded on others. This would be very helpful for those of us who use tabs. Maybe a toolbar icon, or an option in the right-click menu would help. When I have several tabs open, it's counterproductive to have to go to Edit>Preferences and switch images off on one page, and then have to go through the motions again to turn them on in a new tab.
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| ==Vito DiLuminoso==
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| For me, it's all about integrability.
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| I've been using the integrated Mozilla package in one form or another since the Mozilla 4.x code base (Netscape Communicator 4.5 was my earliest install). I have come to rely on the integrated browser, mail, and HTML editor (Composer) in the daily work I do; the Moz suite provides seamless functionality between those components. It would be a serious inconvenience to lose it.
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| I do a lot of research on the web, and I report the results of that research to associates via encrypted e-mail. With Mozilla's tight integration between the Navigator browser and Composer editor, I can easily annotate any web page and save the annotated page directly to my local drive. The mail app's embedded HTML editor lets me copy entire web pages directly into an e-mail message and edit them. Similarly, when I receive HTML messages, I have complete interoperability with the browser and Composer. The flexibility that the Moz suite offers in generating and receiving messages with highly structured visual content provides a uniquely flexible, high-bandwidth, secure information transfer channel. In fact, I'm not the only one who recognizes that value. I'm one year into a 7-year research project whose associates are distributed across the planet on multiple platforms. The decision to specify Mozilla as the approved secure messaging and browsing application was unanimous.
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| The built-in message encryption is absolutely essential. I recall the transition period when OS X was first released and Mozilla 1.0 was not yet a reality. There were zero available options for built-in message encryption for OS X...well, except for some PGP implementations that destroyed all HTML by grinding it up into plain text. Netscape 6.x was available, but in addition to all its other deficiencies, it didn't support encryption. That was a deal killer. I ran every other application that I could in OS X, but when it came to all things webular — browser, mail, and HTML editing — I ran Communicator 4.79 in Classic. It was a bit of a nuisance, but at least it worked. Eventually, the Moz 5.0 code base came to the rescue, first with the pre-release of Netscape 7.0, and then shortly thereafter I learned about Mozilla 1.0. Ever since then I've been a Moz addict. I much prefer the Mozilla suite to Netscape.
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| Yes, I keep my installs of Firefox and Thunderbird current. At one point I configured them as the default mail and browser apps on my aging PowerBook, where the longer launch time of the Moz suite is noticeable. But before long the intrinsically deficient non-integrated functionality of those standalone apps sent me back to the Moz suite. There is simply nothing else that works as well, is as stable, and provides all the features I need in a single well-integrated package.
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| Improvements? Here's my wish list:
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| <ul><li>User-defined keystroke commands. I probably don't need to say any more about this one, a/k/a the legendary Bug No. 57805: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57805
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| <li>A better color picker; the one in the Moz 4.0 code base was awesome, so that would be a great objective to shoot for in future builds. In the meantime, if it has to be a fixed palette, it should include at least the 216 "web safe" colors in the complete HTML true color chart.
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| <li>At the very least, use the FULL color picker in Preferences — like the one available in Composer and Mail that allows user-specified hexadecimal color codes — so that I can specify the colors I need if they're not among the 70 presets.
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| <li>Include the option to set the color palette to apply to all the apps in the suite. For example, I've never understood why there's no BLUE: "0000FF" in the palette. I use blue all the time, and every time I need it in Composer or Mail, I have to open the palette, enter "0000FF" in the text box, and click OK. It would be handy enough to be able to do that for custom colors that don't already appear in the palette, but I'm talking about BLUE here. I'd like to see blue added to the standard palette, but there'd be less need to change the colors in the standard palette if the entire palette could be user-defined at the application level.
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| <li>A "repeat (action)" command, similar to Command-Y/Control-Y in, say, MS Excel's Edit menu. It's an Edit menu command with its own keystroke assignment that takes the drudgery out of actions that must be applied repetitively. Changing the color of selected text is one example, but it really could apply to just about anything that can be done in the HTML editor.
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| <li>A return to both types of message receipts: "server" and "message displayed". The server receipts were lost in the transition from the Moz 4.0 code base. They were very handy in determining whether the message actually reached the destination server, which is more information than you get with the message displayed receipt when the recipient's mail client doesn't support it, or it's not configured to respond. Even if the recipient opts not to honor the request to return the receipt, a server receipt lets you know that, at the very least, the message made it to the server.</ul>
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| I was delighted to learn that further development of the Moz suite is being supported by a core of loyal devotees. I will do whatever I can to help as a tester for OS X builds.
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| ==Garth Wallace==
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| There are aesthetic/technical reasons, sentimental reasons, and philosophical/political reasons.
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| I find the Mozilla browsing experience much more satisfying. Windows load faster (Firefox still doesn't, and may never, have quicklaunch), and the prefs don't treat me like a child. The Firefox UI is supposed to be geared "more towards end-users", but the Firefox team seems to think that end-users are subhuman morons who can barely be trusted not to swallow their own keyboards. Furthermore, when I'm using the 'Net, I'm Using The 'Net, web and email (and news and frequently IRC), so having an integrated program makes perfect sense for me; moving to separate programs with less functionality and a larger combined footprint, on the other hand, is stupid.
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| As far as sentiment goes, I've been using the Suite and occasionally submitting bugs for years. Milestones were still M-integer when I started using it. Seeing it get officially abandoned ''midway through a development cycle'' feels like getting punched in the gut.
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| Finally, it feels like the Mozilla Foundation and the community around it have been hijacked by a small cabal to push their pet project. There were promises that Firefox and Thunderbird would eventually replace the Suite ''when they could be integrated through the GRE/XULrunner'' and used as a drop-in replacement for the Suite ''without being a downgrade''; that hasn't happened yet, and the FF/TB teams don't even seem to be working towards it. I want to see the suite thrive, because it'd be a big middle finger at Ben Goodger et al. who cribbed a bunch of work off of an open-source project, then turned around and told the contributors that they weren't welcome anymore.
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| My wishlist, if it matters:
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| *the return of MNG
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| *better bookmarking (automatic updating for dead and moved pages; frame state; aliases)
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| *better news support (GNKSA compliance; spoiler marks) - news has always been a bit of an afterthought in Netscape and Mozilla
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| *better support for printing CSS
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| *address book/chatzilla integration - of all of the components, Chatzilla feels the least integrated: this would let it take advantage of the other components
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| Oh, and I'm going to continue to refer to the Suite as Mozilla in private. As far as I'm concerned, Firefox and Thunderbird are just spinoffs, and Mozilla predates the MoFo anyway.
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| ==Ryan Germann==
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| I like it because components are integrated: CTRL-N from any module opens new browser, CTRL-M opens Mail Message, CTRL-2 opens mail client etc. Also because it's got more sophisticated options and control over the functionality.
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| I would like it more if client-side time management tool was integrated (not asking for sophisticated work-group scheduling at this point).
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| Would also like superior Palm integration (I'm looking to ditch Act 4.0 and move entirely to Mozilla, with integrated calendar and address book)
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| Would LOVE it if the "Quick Launch" taskbar item added "Compose Email Message", so I could send an email message without first having to launch MailNews or Navigator.
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| Would also like to have Mail News have the message list full width, with the folder tree and message display panes side by side... the message list needs the widest possible display, but there is no fourth "window layout" option for this. waahhhh.
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| ==Srikanth. S.==
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| I totally support the Web suite concept. A stable and tightly integrated suite that combines a browser, mail client, Chat client and a PIM (calendar) with a small memory footprint, designed for the power users is what we want. It will be excellent if all these can work from within a single tabbed window. The initial success of FF/TB will vanish with the next release of IE/OE with novice users deserting them.
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| ==[[User:arromdee|Ken Arromdee]]==
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| It's the usual reason for me. I like having the preferences there, and even finding out what extensions I want can be a major pain.
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| Desired changes to Mozilla? Mostly fixes to annoying bugs and misfeatures. Mozilla still doesn't have "show image", a vital part of web browsing at 56K. [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37057 Cutting and pasting to X]has been weird for five years, and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41766 bookmark selection]for as long. In a way fixing these things is like having lots of preferences--it's more useful to advanced users and people on unusual setups (well, not bookmark selection).
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| ==[[User:binnyavasthi|Binny Avasthi]]==
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| I am always running both the browser and mailer and FF and TB seem to consume more memory than mozilla suite. After the decision of MoFo to stop suite I tried to go to FF and TB but had to revert because it was just too much hassle.
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| <li>I would like a feature to have multiple proxy preferences which can be changed easily. I need to connect to internet through multiple ways and all of them have different proxies. Currently I have to change them in preferences every time I connect from somewhere else.</li>
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| <li>I would like to see if download manager can be extended to have some kind of download accelerator functionality bu opening multiple sockets and doing byte range. If I could get some pointers on where the relavent code is, I could look to work on it</li>
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| <li>I would want to see vcal vcard attachments automatically transferred to addressbooks and calendar applications</li>
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| ==[[User:olecom|Good Oleg]]==
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| Sometimes I'm trying to do GNU+Linux code more platform friendly.
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| Features (from firefox):
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| <li>Interactive search in history and documents</li>
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| <li>Yes, extension manager</li>
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| <li>And more in preferences like cleaning cookies, cache, etc.</li>
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| =Administrators=
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| ==[[User:Xwolf|Wolfgang Wiese]]==
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| As an administrator in an university I have to install and support software for web, mail, news and so on.
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| Unlike the combination of Firefox and Thunderbird, the suite is much more admin-friendly, cause its more userfriendly: Users get an intergrated suite and cause of long years Netscape4 and after that Mozilla, they are known to it. Its much easier for users and administrators to set up the proferences of the suite for workstations. Unlike administrators or developers a normal user can't even understand how to call "about:config" or even use it!
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| Firefox is only helpful for public surfstations, where we dont wan't to provide many functions.
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| Also as administrator I cannot argue against users why to install a combination of firefox and thunderbird until they dont show up with the features of the mozilla suite. I have to give my users something that is an improvement against the previous version (what ever its name is). But with firefox - how many plugins will I have to install until I get the features the users already have with mozilla suite? In case of making a choice, i would either stay on mozilla 1.8beta or have a turn to opera...
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| ==[[User:mrmazda|Felix Miata]]==
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| When you buy a car, you don't buy an engine one place, a body somewhere else, and an interior still somewhere else. You buy an integrated package that efficiently combines all you need for road surfing. The same concept of integration applies to web surfing.
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| The web suite concept made sense when Netscape first became one, and it still does today. Integration makes many things easier, and easier is something quite popular among PC users.
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| Windoze users bring me their trojan, virus and spyware ridden puters to fix. I fix them, then make it easier for them to not break them again by installing one swiss army knife, Mozilla Web Suite. It enables me to install and show them one single program that prevents or reduces a multitude of continued M$ sins. Mozilla mail follows standards by not inducing Jeopardy writing style, providing standard email quote markers, and creating and retaining references, among other things. Since I use it myself, when they ask questions, I generally know the answers, or where to point them to find them. To ask their questions, if they want they can just click the CZ icon on the statusbar to catch me on moznet. To use their personal web space, they can just click the composer icon on the statusbar, and create a page far more compliant than anything Word or Frontpage have ever done.
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| Netscape and Mozilla users who use them because they are an integrated suite don't deserve an end to further development, or the complications of extensions and what to/not to install to get back what they're accustomed to after a supposed "upgrade".
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| ==[[User:dowlingm|Mark Dowling]]==
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| We transitioned from Netscape 4.79 to Mozilla over the last while. The FF/TB effort, as previously noted, has concentrated on each application separately, with little attention to synergy between them. Projects such as Sunbird are tucked in a corner and Composer has been outsourced to nvu. A Mozilla-Win32 based on MSIs is a very attractive prospect, but this must be accompanied by full documentation on how to lock down both default preferences and ongoing enforcement via policy. This documentation should not be left to enthuasiasts but an integral part of the Mozilla product. It is ironic to me that the company I work for will not use Mozilla beyond end 2005 as we have embraced a groupware scenario coupled with Firefox but for companies who wish to look at IMAP/iCal as a solution, the lack of progress in decoupling Gecko from individual apps to reduce resource usage and encourage links between each MoFo application will leave an ongoing gap for MAS to fill. It would be interesting to see MAS have links to other OSS projects to extend the feasibility of single source supply for small and medium enterprises.
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| = Marketing and UI =
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| ==[[User:vd|Vitor Domingos]]==
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| As marketing and UI engineer, i must say there are a couple of reasons that we'll like to see going on the Mozilla Suite:
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| * All-in-one wonder (mozilla+addressbook+mail)
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| * Perfectly integrated with all the plugins and extensions avaiable
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| * [http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/emails/NickFagerlund.html Faster than FF]
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| * Good UI, preferences in place
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| * Good marketing value so far
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| * It's my browser since i remember :)
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| For the future, I'd like to see more integration with OpenOffice.org, maybe joining efforts in one "true and full" office suite.
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