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, 23 December 2009Tabs on top... no no no
(Love "tabs on top" and lack of menu bar, not sure how best to deal with bookmark toolbar and applets) |
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Wouldn't it be better to use the pie chart throbber instead of the progressbar? Also, aren't there a little too many icons? That could be distracting while browsing. Sure one could condition theirself to ignore them, but that situation is avoidable. The focus should be more on browsing and less on the browser for the user.--— [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 19:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | Wouldn't it be better to use the pie chart throbber instead of the progressbar? Also, aren't there a little too many icons? That could be distracting while browsing. Sure one could condition theirself to ignore them, but that situation is avoidable. The focus should be more on browsing and less on the browser for the user.--— [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 19:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Combo Stop/Reload/Go Button at Right End of Address Bar == | == Combo Stop/Reload/Go Button at Right End of Address Bar == | ||
This is one annoying Internet Explorer feature that I would not like to have permanently set in for Firefox. It is rare that I ever use the extraneous Go button when typing in the address bar, since it is just more efficient to hit the Enter key and let the page download during the interval it takes to move my hand back to the mouse, which means that the Refresh button is more important and should not be moved to some location it does not belong (away from the other primary navigation buttons: Back, Forward) just so that the less useful Go button gets to be at the end of the address bar.--[[User:Gnraetaet|Gnraetaet]] 08:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC) | This is one annoying Internet Explorer feature that I would not like to have permanently set in for Firefox. It is rare that I ever use the extraneous Go button when typing in the address bar, since it is just more efficient to hit the Enter key and let the page download during the interval it takes to move my hand back to the mouse, which means that the Refresh button is more important and should not be moved to some location it does not belong (away from the other primary navigation buttons: Back, Forward) just so that the less useful Go button gets to be at the end of the address bar.--[[User:Gnraetaet|Gnraetaet]] 08:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Therefore IMHO it would be a wonderfull idea to import all the fine new changes as '''options''' for a more customizable Firefox that lets you choose where to have which bar, which style of seperators, buttons and colours, etc. | Therefore IMHO it would be a wonderfull idea to import all the fine new changes as '''options''' for a more customizable Firefox that lets you choose where to have which bar, which style of seperators, buttons and colours, etc. | ||
Less wonderfull would be that famous "''take it or leave it''" mentality already to be found on other widely-spread browsers - for some users Firefox would stop being an alternative then. | Less wonderfull would be that famous "''take it or leave it''" mentality already to be found on other widely-spread browsers - for some users Firefox would stop being an alternative then. | ||
== Great Ideas == | == Great Ideas == | ||
I'm not sure why the "tabs on top" idea is less popular, as it appears to me to make far more sense for new users. In Firefox 3.5, the location bar is visually separated from the tab, and the connection between the two is totally lost. Placing the location bar under the tab obviously creates a far better visual connection, making the relationship between the two more clear. | I'm not sure why the "tabs on top" idea is less popular, as it appears to me to make far more sense for new users. In Firefox 3.5, the location bar is visually separated from the tab, and the connection between the two is totally lost. Placing the location bar under the tab obviously creates a far better visual connection, making the relationship between the two more clear. | ||
I work with several people who aren't computer savvy to say the least, and I appreciate any change to the UI that makes some concept, like tabs representing different web pages, easier to grasp. I know many techies who use a web browser all the time will think it's crazy that other people don't understand tabs, but believe me, they're out there, and there's a reason Safari has (or at least had) the tab feature turned off by default. It confuses people who don't understand the concept, and I think they don't understand it because the whole relationship between the location text and the tab aren't clearly related. | I work with several people who aren't computer savvy to say the least, and I appreciate any change to the UI that makes some concept, like tabs representing different web pages, easier to grasp. I know many techies who use a web browser all the time will think it's crazy that other people don't understand tabs, but believe me, they're out there, and there's a reason Safari has (or at least had) the tab feature turned off by default. It confuses people who don't understand the concept, and I think they don't understand it because the whole relationship between the location text and the tab aren't clearly related. | ||
I think having the progress bar in the tab like that is a great idea for users like me. I'm not sure new users would understand it, but as often as I have multiple tabs opening, I appreciate the change. Is there a way to make a tab grayed out or receding into the background until it's fully loaded? When I open up several tabs at once, I'd like to see them sort of fade into a darker font or something like this to indicate it's fully loaded and ready to go. | I think having the progress bar in the tab like that is a great idea for users like me. I'm not sure new users would understand it, but as often as I have multiple tabs opening, I appreciate the change. Is there a way to make a tab grayed out or receding into the background until it's fully loaded? When I open up several tabs at once, I'd like to see them sort of fade into a darker font or something like this to indicate it's fully loaded and ready to go. | ||
I rarely use the menu bar, and when I do it's just to use the "Tools" menu, so moving "Tools" to a button would free up space and work well for me. | I rarely use the menu bar, and when I do it's just to use the "Tools" menu, so moving "Tools" to a button would free up space and work well for me. | ||
Are there any mockups for how the bookmarks button would behave? | Are there any mockups for how the bookmarks button would behave? | ||
While it does add clutter, the bookmarks toolbar is useful for me, but it's noteworthy that I only use the bookmarks toolbar for little javascript tools, such as ''[http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ Readability]'', ''Share on Facebook'', and ''Hootlet''. Some of these mini-tools even tell you to drag a button to the bookmark toolbar (perhaps such web page buttons or links could be dragged to the bookmarks button instead to accomplish the same thing). | While it does add clutter, the bookmarks toolbar is useful for me, but it's noteworthy that I only use the bookmarks toolbar for little javascript tools, such as ''[http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ Readability]'', ''Share on Facebook'', and ''Hootlet''. Some of these mini-tools even tell you to drag a button to the bookmark toolbar (perhaps such web page buttons or links could be dragged to the bookmarks button instead to accomplish the same thing). | ||
I don't have any ideas for how to make the "bookmarks toolbar + mini-tools" combination better, but I do know my right-click menu is already overloaded from additions made by extensions, so unless the right-click menu can be cleaned up, I wouldn't consider that a great option. Obviously the bookmark toolbar isn't the only way to deal with them. | I don't have any ideas for how to make the "bookmarks toolbar + mini-tools" combination better, but I do know my right-click menu is already overloaded from additions made by extensions, so unless the right-click menu can be cleaned up, I wouldn't consider that a great option. Obviously the bookmark toolbar isn't the only way to deal with them. | ||
Speaking of the right-click menu, could the right-click be used to bring up a more visual window instead of a plain text menu? As it is I have trouble finding what I want from it, so any help in that area would be appreciated. | Speaking of the right-click menu, could the right-click be used to bring up a more visual window instead of a plain text menu? As it is I have trouble finding what I want from it, so any help in that area would be appreciated. | ||
[[User:Vogateer|Vogateer]] 14:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | [[User:Vogateer|Vogateer]] 14:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Tabs on top == | |||
While I understand some people's preference for the tabs on top - and I admit, it does make the layout look cleaner - I sincerely hope that there will at least be an option to keep the tabs on the bottom. First, having the tabs closer to the page content makes switching between tabs with the mouse much faster. I switch between tabs quite a lot - mostly while using the mouse within a tab - and having to move all the way to the top of the window (not necessarily maximized) adds up to a lot more mouse travel time. Second, it fits in better with most other tab-using applications' layouts - with the tabs underneath the menu/tool bars (nautilus, gedit, geany, dolphin, konquerer, etc.) Lastly, from the mockup, the amount of space given to the window decoration title bar looks pretty small - it seems like it would be very easy to accidentally select a tab instead of grabbing the titlebar to move/resize/whatever the window.<br> | |||
If it really is easier for new users to grasp the tab concept with the tabs on top approach, then it is fine to have this as a default layout but it would be wonderful to allow the option of tabs on the bottom for those who prefer that (and this doesn't seem like it would be particularly difficult since that is the current layout). | |||