SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-10-18

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

• Time: 18 October, 2011, 12:00 UTC
• Location: #seamonkey IRC channel

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? -> TBD
• Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
  • Please note A person or entity can't be nominated twice in a row.

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

• IanN to come up with a proposal on any additions/subtractions for the project areas page and send it around council/members.
• IanN to write the "Friends of the Fish Tank" F.A.Q.

CLOSED

• We should find a better way of getting nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank.
  • We could put out a call for nominations the week before then, at the time of the meeting notice going out we could include any nominations (We need to come up with a quick FAQ as to what merits a nomination). IanN has put out an email to the members list. InvisibleSmiley came up with some sensible suggestions.
  • We need to advertise such a thing happens even if it is only in the meeting notice.

Release Train

• Callek is working on getting comm-aurora and comm-beta on MXR (bug 653424).
  • Patch updated. Awaiting review
• 2.5b3 shipped 14 October.
• Target date for 2.5 is around 8th November.

Extensions Compatibility Tracking

• Addon Compatibility Listings created and maintained by InvisibleSmiley, with help from some community members like DERoss.
  • Recent changes can be found here.
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] The External Sources part is still TODO, help appreciated.
• Enigmail provides versions for release (AMO) and all branches (Enigmail nightly page)
• Lightning currently provides versions for the current stable release (AMO), Aurora and trunk (both FTP) and Beta (Calendar Versions page).
• The latest Firebug is now fully compatible but still not flagged as such on AMO (which seems to depend on automatic tests being set up and run on the Firebug side, see Issue 4430)
  • [InvisibleSmiley] Use Firebug 1.9 pre-releases for 2.4 and later (maybe even earlier SM versions; haven't checked)
• Besides the above, we should also take a look at other add-ons that are important for our users when they switch to 2.x.
  • Useful query: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/extensions/?sort=popular
• InvisibleSmiley created a FAQ Wiki page. Everybody please help update it, so it stays current without needing too much maintenance.
• KaiRo created a SeaMonkey Features page and sub-pages for all those that are in development.
• We need to get the Addon Compatibility page finished and better communicate how to keep Lightning and Enigmail updated since unfortunately the only versions provided on AMO are for the current stable release. People keep coming back reporting that e.g. Lightning stopped working on trunk, Aurora or Beta. But since it contains binary components, Lightning easily breaks if you don't retrieve the matching install file yourself.
  • [InvisibleSmiley] AMO currently has a Lightning version compatible with SM Beta (1.0rc1)

We should also add some information on this to the release notes of future betas.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.x Follow-ups and Issues

• Lost Bookmarks bug 673474 and Cookies bug 673672 on auto-update from 2.0.14 to 2.x.
  • Bookmarks can be re-imported from bookmarks.html.
• Users are unhappy about various UX and usability issues with the new Data Manager.
  • Ratty proposes that until all the major pain points are addressed, links to the old individual managers be established (probably from the various Data Manager panes).

2.4

open tracking (0) tracking requests (0) targeted (0) fixed (26)

• The New 2.4 Features page has a comprehensive list of features.
• 2.4.x had ~74000 ADU yesterday and 2.4.1 has had ~129600 downloads so far.
  • vs. 10758 on 2.3, 4693 on 2.2, 1535 on 2.1 and 28239 on 2.0. So, in the last two weeks, ~Ek have migrated to 2.4.

2.Next

• We need to make sure that anything that landed on comm-beta (for TB) or mozilla-beta (for FF) which affected non-shared code and which fixed regressions will be fixed on our side, too. Please mark bugs we feel *need* to land on a particular train tracking+ or tracking? so that when I go to do a release I can be sure I don't miss anything.
  • We also need to try harder to fix regressions ASAP. Also keep an eye on and prioritize bugs to be ported from FF/TB that land on branches (Aurora, Beta). We need to keep an eye especially on Session Restore, Sync, Tabbrowser and Address Book.
  • We have to be careful not to break code shared with Thunderbird, otherwise patches might have to be backed out of string frozen repositories.
• Please help updating the New 2.5 Features page as we go.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 44 new, 16 fixed, 51 triaged.

• Good triage effort!
• Good further triage targets could come out of looking at the component bug counts, pick yours!

IanN wonders when would be a good time to have another bug day. Perhaps in October?

• Tonymec and IanN wonder if the last time was mid-week or on weekend. Operation Nugzilla happened from May 18th to 20th (Wed to Fri).
• Tonymec checks his calendar and suggests the last week of October e.g. 26th to 31st or so.
• Tonymec to start a discussion in the sm-members list regarding the next bug day. We should give potential bug busters as much notice as possible.

Open reviews/flags: 35 review 14 super-review 0 ui-review 8 feedback

Major wanted/needed features:

Active

• bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition [IanN].
  • Progressing slowly, still waiting on reviews from TB side. Full customization has to go to 2.next (currently 2.6 but could be pushed back further) as it needs work on TB too which is taking a while to get reviews on, plus feedback from kaze.
  • IanN has done as much unpicking of Composer/Mail Compose code as possible in the dependent bugs, so will be reworking his customising patches.
• de-RDF bug 654864 has been finished and landed on all development branches, including 2.3. Still to do:
  • Neil wanted to follow up on some listener issues
  • for the selection issue, see what the TB guys come up with in bug 669203
• bug 477845 Build a standalone (Comm-central) Composer. [kaze]
  • kaze has done a bit of work in this bug recently. Building on Windows works. Now supports debug builds on Linux if tests are disabled (--disable-tests). Still a lot to do.
  • IanN will see if he can help get builds working with --enable-tests.

Needing help, Unowned, Stalled

• Kill-RDF:
  • bug 657607 Port jminta's kill-rdf to SeaMonkey where applicable Part 2 [meta].
  • bug 657604 Remove the RDF global object. [serge]
• bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
  • SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
• bug 449728 Drag tabs between windows.
• bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer (Depends on bug 477845).
  • kaze has done a ton of work there. We still need to work out some organizational issues. At the moment there is no active interest from MoMo for bringing standalone composer into comm-central. That's something we (KaiRo and kaze) will have to negotiate with the Thunderbird team (Standard8).
• bug 507841 Port Bug 422814 - Make account configuration quick, easy, and more secure (autoconfig, Quick Account Setup).
• bug 533908 SeaMonkey Mail: tabs not restored [misak].
• bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set.
  • A list of TODO icons is up in the bug.
• bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
  • bug 548778 New communicator icons (based on Strata theme) for SeaMonkey. Some proposed icons got posted, we should take a look how to get that contribution into the product.
  • The rest is unowned so far.
• bug 87098 [SeaMonkey] Delete key should delete location bar history list entry.
  • Note: Our location bar history doesn't and can't use autocomplete at all.
• bug 677484 Individual SeaMonkey components are not properly handled by the Windows 7 taskbar.
• bug 654009 Reply to list: automatically determine From: address
  • Note: The actual task here is to port bug 45715 "Reply to List" [button/(context) menu item]

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

• Fixed:
  • bug 654966 - File > Save As > Templates should not be active for NNTP folders.

• Needs Review:
  • bug 102275 - Number untitled pages. (sr)

• Working On:
  • bug 78357 - Account wizard doesn't have place to enter port info
  • bug 670561 - show profile path in profile manager.
  • bug 675589 - Group all session restore menu items together.

• To Do:
  • bug 633937 - Port bug 562048 to suite.

IanN

• Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
• Fixed:
  • bug 691144 Open Containing Folder should preselect the file
  • bug 694164 Fold mailABOverlay.xul into addressbook.xul
• Waiting for review on:
  • bug 638643 Remove obsolete EditorToggleParagraphMarks from editor.js
• Waiting for additional review on:
  • bug 680805 Share edit menus between Composer, Plain Text Editor and Messenger Compose
  • bug 688765 Move file menu from editorOverlay to editingOverlay
  • bug 690145 Move CharsetPopupMenu code from editorOverlay to editingOverlay
  • bug 694027 Move Editor toolbar buttons from editorOverlay to editingOverlay
• Reviewed and waiting for other work before possible checkin:
  • bug 674942 Mailnews part of cookie code still gets built as MOZ_MAIL_NEWS is not configured correctly
• Reviewed and waiting for feedback from mobile peer:
  • bug 689253 Update en-GB for Mobile 8.0 (comm-aurora)
• Working on:
  • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
  • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
  • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
  • File/Folder selection in windows.
• To Do:
  • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
  • Prefs-in-a-tab.

InvisibleSmiley

• Fixed:
  • bug 694506 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.5 Beta 3 release
  • bug 674208 Add a Properties context menu option to open the embedded properties pane in Bookmarks Manager
  • bug 692765 Adapt Modern for restartless dictionaries support
  • bug 692392 Advanced Search misses all search fields
  • bug 693080 Change browser.search.opentabforcontextsearch pref default to true
  • bug 665678 Open Add-ons Manager, Data Manager etc. according to Link Behavior preferences (i.e. in a window if the user chose so)
  • bug 692486 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.5 Beta 2 release

• Working On:
  • review bug 684537 Port bug 626949 |Sync UI: Style generic change dialogs like the setup and Add a Device wizards| to suite
  • bug 688953 Create/Update 2.5 Release Notes
  • bug 693210 Add support for some keys to Advanced Search
  • bug 694144 Port syncAddDevice fixes from bug 690532 and bug 689428
  • track bug 687316 (Remaining) Sync changes to port to Suite

KaiRo

• Finally, I also put up SeaMonkey update snippets for linux64 updates to 2.4.1 (bug 692655) - so everyone should get up to the latest release now. I've been asked if I could do that for betas as well but I find this too much work to do manually. If someone can script it, that would be a way, but then, we hope that soon we'll get the machine power to run tests and localized builds on linux64, and then we'll be able to provide official builds with updates right away in the normal process.
• Updated German localization for SeaMonkey and core on Aurora as well as Nightly (except the actual "toolkit" parts for the latter) to match the original.
• Also, addressed a number of German L10n bugs on "select add-ons" UI (bug 688080, review comments), translation of "corrupt" (bug 662763), and "beinhalten" being a suboptimal word (bug 686304).
• More work on updating EarlyBlue and LCARStrek for 2.4 versions, there's a bit more stuff I need to check there still, though.
• I also refactored my "KaiRo.at Mandelbrot" add-on to fit in-tab UI a bit better as well as eliminating its XULRunner app version and making it be an add-on only. The new 4.0b3 version is up on AMO and waiting for reviews.
• As usual, my blog has more detailed status about my activities, and Mozilla Status Board Posts also tell about my next planned steps - both including my non-SeaMonkey Mozilla work as well.

sgautherie

• Fixed MailNews Core bugs:
  • bug 690369 c-c configure.in: port bug 557824 and bug 661403. (MOZ_INSTALLER)

Any other business?

• Need to review project areas
  • IanN will come up with a proposal on any additions/subtractions for the project areas page and send it around council/members.
• Extended Support Releases (ESR)
  • At the moment looks like that will be based off either Gecko 8 or 9 so potentially that will be either 2.5 or 2.6 for us. Assuming we have the machines, we will also have an ESR which might help move some of those still on 2.0 up to 2.5/2.6.
  • Our ESR should use the same branch as Firefox ESR so any Security and Stability "extended" fixes for Gecko will be picked up by the SeaMonkey ESR.
• Another nugzilla day.