Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-11-04

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Thunderbird Meeting Details

• Tuesday, Nov 04, 17:30 UTC (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
• How to dial-in

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? --> bienvenu
• Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida for schedule changes/additions.

Calls For Help

• davida would appreciate assistance on the autoconfiguration branch. (The awesome create-a-new-account screen where you just enter your e-mail address and it figures out most/all of the details for you.) One particular area that could use assistance is handling certificates in the connection detection logic.

Action Items

Open

• dmose: drive JS-in-mail discussion
• davida: will escalate issue of separate messaging crash-stats server
  • Crash-stats is looking reasonable at the moment. Do we still want to do this?
• davida: needs to identify the major work items for thunderbird 3 and break them down by the beta/release they will be in.
• From the Alpha 3 post-mortem (individuals should take your own items and go through them):
  • wsmwk: Put up tracking bug for issues from releases during litmus tests.
  • wsmwk: Need to define what tests (e.g. smoketests/basic functional/unit tests etc) should go where and where they are filed.
  • standard8: Generate some gristmill example scripts, and encourage others to use gristmill and file bugs to help improve it.
  • tb-drivers: Go through current MailNews/TB relnote bugs and work out what is really necessary.

Closed

• sipaq: Document details on what should happen before, during and after the string freeze, and the effects on developers at the relevant times.
  • See sipaq's blog
  • Comments welcome.
  • Includes: a description of the responsibilities of developers during a string freeze and when breaking the string freeze

Thunderbird 3 Beta 1

• bienvenu is release driver
• gozer is build engineer
• Proposed String freeze date: 2008-11-13
• Code Freeze date: 2008-11-18

• davida will identify the must-absolutely-have items for beta 1 (part of the new action item planning what must happen by when)
  • Proposed intermediate target (to prevent everything either landing at the end or missing) for major items: Friday, October 31
    • Gloda
      • Definitely land with the pref turning it off today, 11/4
      • dmose progressing reviews.
    • AutoConfig
      • Definitely land as an additional menu item, not yet replacing account wizard
      • depends on how much time bienvenu has as to if this will make it or not.
    • Kill-RDF
      • SeaMonkey note: need to land ASAP as it may cause problems
      • Currently going through reviews. May or may not make it by the date.
      • non-rdf js folder pane in review, should land this week.
    • Cross-folder views
      • landed last week.
• pre-release testday(s)
  • purpose: solidify functionality & stability for big features/changes
  • testday 1 - pre-freeze - if wanted on Friday Nov 7, and want publicity via about:mozilla, then need good info by Oct 30
  • testday 2 wanted during bake time / post-freeze, but before release candidate is available? For example ~ Nov 20 (code freeze target is Nov 18). (And might help draw draw more people to QA b1.)

• Blockers/Wanted
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 71
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 57
• Proposed Blocking
  • Proposed Blockers (b1): 6
  • Proposed Blockers (b? + milestone): 3
• Fixed:
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 12
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 13

Thunderbird 3

• Draft Thunderbird:Thunderbird3:DevRoadmap identifies major work items on the plate for Tb3 -- much of it needs scheduling, owning, breakdown.
  • folks interested in helping with front-end stuff, some simple, should ask in #maildev

QA Updates

• crash stats

Roundtable

Status Updates

davida

• paris
  • 6 press interviews, lots of interest in Thunderbird 3
  • visit with french governmental users, lots of great interest/feedback
  • visit with french software development co. doing lots of Thunderbird & OO.o work
  • hanging out with Mozilla folks at the Paris office, to talk about web l10n in particular:
    • pascalc to coordinate web l10n w/ localizers (& sipaq of course) for Tb3 cycle
    • pages to be checked in to momo svn tree
    • mozilla-europe.org to have landing pages where they already have content, redirecting to momo's website
• barcelona
  • good feedback on gloda/exptoolbar/timeline demo
  • met w/ a lot of people, including calendar crew.
  • I have promised a bottle of whatever poison is preferred to whoever gets chromebug to work with non-Firefox apps (Tb in particular).
• code
  • need to polish up OS X tab patch & submit for review
  • Q: what do we want to do about inheriting windows & linux tabs from Fx, given that we have one theme for both OSes?
  • need to integrate my exptoolbar patches w/ the new gloda/exptoolbar stuff. ETA: this week.

• planning momo workweek next week

dmose

• participated in 2010 Goals: Data discussion
• switched calendar usage to Lightning; lots of bugfiling
• more addressbook UUID discussion
• GloDa testing/review; fighting it out with hg to land the changesets
• got help on scrolling message header stuff from roc
• driving
• discussions related to student involvement in Thunderbird

nth10sd

• "Old" bug queries, with MailNews and Calendar added, at testday focus -- only 30 TB UNCO non-enh bugs have no comments before TB2 release date.
• The number was >2,200 when bugdays first started 7.5 months ago, end-March 2008.

Standard8

• Reviews
• Tidied up bloat test documentation and patches (bug 428398), in preparation for moving the bloat boxes to tinderbox
• Fake servers now have debug for received/sent commands
• Filed some calendar bugs (bug 462304, bug 462305, bug 462306, bug 462317)
• Tested calendar with respect to leak, filed bug 462326
• Played around with doing a harness for startup performance tests (this will help assessment of TB + Lightning, bug 462280
• bug 462835 Rename address collector in preparation for work on improving address collector (first step will be so it checks across multiple directories).
• Did the final one-line fix for bug 379070 Remove nsXPIDLCString / nsXPIDLString from mailnews

bienvenu

• Lots and lots of reviews, which means the activity level is high
• 3.0b1 driving, including triage of Lightning bugs
• Landed cross-folder view threading and grouping bug 379806, and a couple follow up fixes. One other patch is awaiting review
• Carved out just the js non-rdf folder pane parts of the kill-rdf repo and submitted for review
• Landed other small parts of kill-rdf repo, and carved out other parts for review
• Worked some on getting the new account setup code to work with existing SMTP servers.

beckley

Penelope

• With some tweaks to Classic Eudora settings importing, we released the final version of Eudora 8 beta 4

• A standalone version of Penelope can be installed in Tb 3.0a3, although it's recommend to use Penelope along with Eudora 8 for maximum functionality and compatibility.

rebron

• Targeting launch of SpreadThunderbird this week.
• Gathered feedback for new web site design, very positive.