SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-05-26

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

Agenda

  • Who's taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek's decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

  • Website Document History fixed in bug 1159225 by InvisibleSmiley
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Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds arewere running again briefly (thanks to Callek and Ewong) but are down again due to bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • VS2010 support was removed from mozilla-central on 15th December (bug 1092468). Our Windows slaves are in the process of being upgraded to Win2008 and VS2013 (bug 1114876). There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting's Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla. Edit: However, only 9 languages are published daily for trunk there, and en-GB is not one of them. For Aurora I didn't check. — Tonymec (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (PST)
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Should be fixed. Waiting for verification. The langpacks need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.* which makes sense since you don't want 2.29 strings with 2.30 KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258 (Language pack compatibility should be bound to Gecko branch, else undefined entity errors possible).
    • For various reasons we don't have a working SeaMonkey TBPLTreeherder.
    • SeaMonkey's release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [12th May 2015]
    • Windows nightly, aurora and beta builds are broken. Will be fixed by upgrading to Windows Server 2K8 and Visual Studio 2013 (bug 1114876).
    • All Trees
      • OSX64:
        • Build - Orange : bug 958812 - References of firefox.dmg hard-coded in Mozharness tests.
    • [comm-central]:
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.


Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.35 beta 1 yet - depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.35
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle
    • there were 13 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 38 cycle
    • next merge day is scheduled for 23 June

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Lightning was broken on trunk and so were other extensions with binary components
    • bug 1159737 Stop supporting binary XPCOM components except as part of the application (Core/XPCOM)
    • several discussion threads on mozilla.dev.extensions
    • bug 1165428 Restore support for binary components in extensions on a per-application basis
      • introduced MOZ_BINARY_EXTENSIONS build-time switch
      • yet has to land on comm-aurora to be effective for 2.37 with Lightning 4.2b
    • bug 1166842 Re-enable binary extensions for comm-central
      • uses it for all affected comm-central applications
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0) tracking requests (1) targeted (0) fixed (20)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Update SeaMonkey won't be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong is looking into hosting our own FxAccount server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox has migrated to jsdownloads. Thunderbird is in the process of migrating. We need to decide how we are going to handle this sooner rather than later.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 14 new, 7 fixed, 9 triaged.

  • Low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec's current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags: 48 review 6 super-review 5 ui-review 8 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • We will need to update our Sync UI code due to the new Sync API. MoCo will not allow us to use FxAccounts (the new Sync API). One possibility is to set up our own Sync 1.5 server on a Community machine.
    • Bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Discussion Points

From Rainer Bielefeld: Hi, I will not be able to participate. It would be great if you could do some talks and decisions concering:

  • SeaMonkey:Own Sync: I think there should be a public statement from SeaMonkey Project for people using Sync
  • SeaMonkey:Tasks & Projects/Add-On Converter Button: Ideas, concerns, whatever, .... Do we have a "go" for lemon juice to start a fix for bug 1145026 - AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane that way?
  • I am thinking about possibilities how to improve donation for SeaMonkey. In Germany Flattr is not a mass phenomenon, but rather popular, because it allows donation with a single mouse click. I am not too optimistic, I owuld be glad to gett 100€ in the first year. I would be able and willing to manage a SeaMonkey Flattr account.
    • But in advance I would like to provide short public "statement of accounts" for the current donations. How much did SeaMonkey get 2013, 2014 with current donation system (PayPal)? How has the money been used? Some more info concerning SeaMonkey e.V.?

From Ratty:

  • Ewong is currently trying to set up a FxA (Sync 1.5) server. If this works we need somewhere to host the FxA server. Possibilities: (1) Mozilla community machine. (2) We set up a VPS to host (2a) OSU Open Source Lab is free if we meet their criteria.
    • Can someone help port the client code from Firefox?
  • Enhanced SeaMonkey support with AMO.
    • I really like Rainer & Lemon Juice proposal for an extension shipped with SeaMonkey that adds additional buttons when browsing addons.mozilla.org. Also see Bug 1145026 Comment 15 for the initial discussion.
  • Overlay the addon manager's discovery pane with a short description and link to the Addons Converter webpage (bug 1151227). This differs from the first option in that it's a smaller change, that just overlays the XUL rather than injecting content into the discovery pane browser. This would be part of SeaMonkey code, not an extension. We could do both of course.

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

Aqualon

Callek

ewong

IanN

InvisibleSmiley

KaiRo

mcsmurf

Misak

Mnyromyr

Neil

Px

Rainer Bielefeld

Ratty

rsx11m

Fixed on comm-central/aurora/beta:

  • bug 1165320 TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /builds/slave/test/build/tests/mozmill/notification/test-notification.js (MailNews)

Waiting for comm-release approval: (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2 is released)

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)
  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

sgautherie

stefanh

tonymec

Any other business?

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