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===Your actions on [[MozCamp/Sessions]]===


Hi!
(...)<small>unrelated stuff redacted on 23:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)</small>
let's talk about your comment and action related with the page [[MozCamp/Sessions]].
First, [https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=MozCamp%2FSessions&diff=176314&oldid=176180 you reverted] my edit without any explanation -- could you explain why did you do this?
Then, [https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=MozCamp/Sessions&diff=next&oldid=176314 you protected] the page in question with words:
''Request by Gandalf, to try and help persuade BartZilla not to spam his point of view inappropriately''
I strongly disagree with these actions and comment. You used the word "spam" which has obvious negative connotations - however, I wasn't "spamming" anything in usual sense of the word (aka "sending unsolicited message of a commercial nature"). I made [https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=MozCamp%2FSessions&diff=149036&oldid=129454 constructive edit] and Gandalf reverted it few times without any meaningful explanations - so, I restored it.
You wrote about "point of view", however I haven't added any "point of view", only facts and reasonable suggestions. I added the following words to the point "proprietary data formats" in '''Traps''' section: ''" and protocols (provide some examples, eg. [http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec Google's "safebrowsing" protocol], used in current Firefox)"''.
Where do you see any "point of view" here? Let's analyze text added by me, step by step:
* I added "and protocols" -- I think it is useful suggestion to talk on MozCamp sessions not only about proprietary data formats, but also about proprietary protocols
* then I suggested providing some examples -- it is always good to give some example, so people may better realize what is the topic of the presentation
* I provided some concrete example: Google's so-called "safebrowsing" protocol; it is proprietary protocol, since it requires explicit written agreement from Google to use and implement it: here are the exact words from the specification page (http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec):
::::''"'''... Do not use this protocol without explicit written permission from Google.'''... '''Note''': This is not a license to use the defined protocol."''
* I mentioned that this particular proprietary protocol is currently used in Firefox; I will provide wider explanation in case you have any doubts:
:* [http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/phishing-protection/ this site in mozilla.com] has a section titled ''"How does Phishing and Malware Protection work in Firefox?"'' which points to the page with the specification
:* I am a programmer and I spent a lot of time auditing source code of Firefox related with so-called "safebrowsing", so I know that it works -- more or less, there are some differences in details -- as described in the specification
:* although it is not fully indicative (after all comments may lie, deliberately or not) some comments in source also point to this spec.: see eg. [http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.1/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/src/nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp#95 here] and [http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.1/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/src/nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp#3049 here] (these are links to mxr.mozilla.org; concrete line numbers may change in the future when there are some changes in the file in question (''nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp''); for this reason -- ie. to give a possibility for providing stable links -- I put [http://bb.homelinux.org/firefox/sources/ online sources of Firefox], too (but only parts interesting to me in a given moment - the whole source tree is too big); each stable version has a separate directory, so it is possible to provide stable links; for example here are links to source code of Firefox 3.0.12 (I will put online sources of newer versions soon), pointing to the lines that mention the URL of a proprietary Google protocol: [http://bb.homelinux.org/firefox/sources/3.0.12/mozilla/toolkit/components/url-classifier/src/nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp.html#95 here] and [http://bb.homelinux.org/firefox/sources/3.0.12/mozilla/toolkit/components/url-classifier/src/nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp.html#2886 here]).
Your comment suggests that you want to "try and help persuade" me -- I believe that it is better to calmly talk and discuss than to force some unilateral solution (as you did by reverting my edit and protecting the page). I hope that you respond to this message with reasonable arguments. Thank you. [[User:BartZilla|BartZilla]] 23:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I have replied via email. --[[User:Gerv|Gerv]] 14:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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