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* 650-903-0800 x91 Conf# 206 (US/INTL)
* 650-903-0800 x91 Conf# 206 (US/INTL)
* irc.mozilla.org #l10n-drivers for backchannel
* irc.mozilla.org #l10n-drivers for backchannel
=Attendees=
WilC, Mic, Axel, Tim, Choffman, Pascal, Alix, SethB


=DRAFT notes=
=DRAFT notes=


=Attendees=
* QA - Fx3 prep - Tim/Axel
Wil, Axel, Tim, Choffman, Pascal, Alix, Seth


QA - Fx3 prep - Tim/Axel
*Goals - (All) preliminary review
*
** check out an initial take at a set of goals, Basil asked me to start a brainstorm discussion with
 
Goals - (All) preliminary review
* check out an initial take at a set of goals, Basil asked me to start a brainstorm discussion with
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhctdgtq_0gx5rb4&invite=hkvxscf
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhctdgtq_0gx5rb4&invite=hkvxscf
* Axel in discussion with Schrep about this
** Axel in discussion with Schrep about this
* Team is working well - moved from just Axel to us being L10n-drivers, this is to some extent a team caring about localizatio in various aspects, question is whether we as a team need a structure and have team goals or whether we have individual goals like who is doing goals and who is communicating them
** Team is working well - moved from just Axel to us being L10n-drivers, this is to some extent a team caring about localization in various aspects, question is whether we as a team need a structure and have team goals or whether we have individual goals like who is doing goals and who is communicating them
* Axel - take as granted - what we do about it, Axel's point of view, listening to what Lilly and Schrep have to say, see team growing. question about goals and communication around those is on table now.
** Axel - take as granted that the team is good idea - what we do about it, Axel's point of view, listening to what Lilly and Schrep have to say, see team growing; question about goals and communication around those is on table now
* Mic - good to have team, woudl be good to have team goals translated to individual
** Mic - good to have team, would be good to have team goals translated to individual
* tim: hasn't been specific goals for L10n, lots of people, locales, does feel important to have some; hard part is lots of people where this is a small part of our time so hard to invest large part of our time; would like to have some contribution
** Tim: hasn't been specific goals for L10n, lots of people, locales, does feel important to have some; hard part is lots of people where this is a small part of our time so hard to invest large part of our time; would like to have some contribution


AMO
*AMO
* ACTION: mic to create a set of requirements
ACTION: mic to create a set of requirements for chatzilla
chatzilla


Community Dev
*Community Dev
Seth -
** 2 updates maybe 3; Stanislav working terrifically on survey tool that he can send out to community. he enlisted Seth's support to craft questions that he thought would be helpful to ask community members. Seth is adding contribution of people he'd like to survey, providing resources be evaluated from community.  
* 2 updates maybe 3; Stanislav working terrifically on survey tool that he can send out to community. he enlisted Seth's support to craft questions that he thought would be helpful to ask community members. Seth is adding contribution of people he'd like to survey, providing resources be evaluated from community.  
** students helping with store
* students helping with store
** Foss.in - working on project day back and forth with organizers; now know roster of community people submitted to talk; asked us not to do anything with that until deadline come and gone and have better sense of who has been approved; who will be presenter during project day; all people we had submit like Axel, Ankit and Arun and others likely accepted. October 20th will be finalized. Few project days look awesome, some look too corporate. More Indian community members submit talks; few people on forums asking why their presentations haven't been submitted; look good now; asked specifically no one been approved should say anything until it's finalized; we get to look at list of people for our room and if there are any glaring objections we can submit them but final decision made by Atul and team  
* Foss.in - working on project day back and forth with organizers; now know roster of community people submitted to talk; asked us not to do anything with that until deadline come and gone and have better sense of who has been approved; who will be presenter during project day; all people we had submit like Axel, Ankit and Arun and others likely accepted. October 20th will be finalized. Few project days look awesome, some look too corporate. More indican community members submit talks; few people on forums asking whey their presentations haven't been submitted; look good now; asked specifically no one been approved say anything until it's finalized; we get to look at list of peole for our room and if there are any glaring objections we can submit them but final decision made by Atul and team; so still have chance not to go there; happy
** Is Ankit + which localizers going to the conference?
* Is Ankit + which localizers going to the conference?
*** L10n india mailing list - there will be people from Gujarati, Tamil and Hindi in room; Runa on vacation right now representing Bengali
** L10n india mailing list - there will be people from gujarati, tamil and hindi in room; runa on vacation right now Bengali;
** Axel - Ankit talking about Hindi, don't have linux or max tester; chofman analysis is right; take some massaging to get the message across that they need to test on 3 platforms and think on product and QA pieces; we'll need to do some messaging; we need to message that now; even if we make make some decision now there will be decision we need to make now if we sit together and talk to more people we'll get valuable input for Firefox 3; The problem is that the new localization teams don't exepect that stuff like that happens; they translate and ship (that's world they live in) and Mozilla world is different - partly due to technical and part due to fondness to having bugs; not problem of well received they just don't know what we do so we have to tell them then it's well received
may be easier
** Chris - agree with Axel on those points; make them aware of Team 21's offer to help, resource they should leverage  
* Axel - Ankit talking about Hindi, don't have linux or max tester; chofman analysis is right; take some massaging to get the message across that they need to test on 3 platforms and think on product and QA pieces; we'll need some messaging ; we need to message that now; even if we make make some decision now there will be decision we need ot make now if we sit together and talk to more people we'll get valuable input may have to for Firefox 3; problem of expecting that stuff like that happens; they translate and shjip (that's world they live in) and Mozilla world is different - partly due to technical and part due to fondness to having bugs; not problem of well received they just don't know what we do so we have to tell them then it's well received
ACTION: Mic working with Seth, get conference call schedule with as many teams as possible on doing ground work on what makes sense for product pieces; do that in the next week
* Chris - agree with Axel on those points; make them aware of Team 21's offer to help, resource they should leverage  
ACTION: get conference call schedule with as many teams as possible on doing ground work on what makes sense for product pieces; do that in the next week
we'll try
yes owe poke for getting productization up


Tools
*Tools
* see Axel's earlier notes
** see Axel's earlier notes
* Mic volunteers to coordinate
** Mic volunteers to coordinate
start to get prototypes up - stuff Axel showed this morning
**start to get prototypes up - stuff Axel showed this morning
* big DTD files; get text closer together
** big DTD files; get text closer together
* gather requirements
** gather requirements
Chris
** Chris suggested a problem solving approach, define objectives and criteria we'd use to evaluate tools
problem solving
***Start with understanding problems and objectives
objectives
***Need some time lines
criteria is to evaluate tools
***apart from technical need some community building - don't want to send money to any one project without clear understanding of problems and objectives we're addressing; there are a few architectural problems e.g., on web or not, off line application support,  how much process/work flow in tool, should it take end user comments or not, few questions would like answered
Start with understanding problems and objectives
***more facts floating around - not sure how to ask right questions, so not sure right process to answer them
Need some timelines
**http://www.mozbox.org/pub/l10n/l10nzilla/l10nzilla.pdf  This is the current French team's vision of what a good tool would be
apart from technical need some community building - don't want to send money to any one project without clear understaning with more people have to improve tool; few architectural problems e.g., on web or not, offline app support,  how much process/workflow in tool, should it take end user comments or not, few questions would like answered
*One of our criteria needs to be, a community to support the tool afterwards
more facts floating around - not sure how to ask right questions, so not sure right process to answer them
* French team will circulate another good document early next week, as the link above on their "state of mind" may not be the end state; this weekend there is an event in France to discuss it further; some other localizers may have different ideas; we should expect a different document next week, possibly more precise
http://www.mozbox.org/pub/l10n/l10nzilla/l10nzilla.pdf  french team's vision of what a good tool would be?
ACTION: Mic to send documents to Africa team (Dwayne and Friedel) copying Seth
ACTION: read all materials for next week; be prepared to discuss it
ACTION: read all materials for next week; be prepared to discuss it
ACTION: send Dwayne French team's document
criteria - community to support the tool afterwards
good document early next week; this state of mind may not be the end state; between philippe and __; this weekend even in France; some other localizer may have diff ideas; expect a diff document next week possibly more precise
ACTION: Mic to send document with Dwayne copid to Seth
Wikipedia addition for Firefox 3 available here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/L10n_Requirements#Wikipedia
* did not look like a search suggest url


Goolge react on snippets - mailing webmaster half dozen times; Slater has same contact; will email Kev for help
*Web services for Firefox 3
**Wikipedia addition for Firefox 3 available here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/L10n_Requirements#Wikipedia
** did not look like a search suggest url
ACTION: Mic to get search suggest url from wikipedia
**Google not responding on requests for snippets - Pascal has mailed webmaster half dozen times; Slater has same contact
ACTION: Pascal, email Kev for help
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