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* performance of an editing tool is critical to its continued use — it’s true for IDEs, it’s true for word processors, and it’s a place where wikis have traditionally been fairly weak, because of their dawn in the earliest age of CGI, etc. I have the impression that perf on wiki.m.o writes has gone up, and that’s great, and we need to do more to improve perceived perf. As a thought-provoking point: editing an etherpad feels 100x faster to me (even if it’s obviously different). | * performance of an editing tool is critical to its continued use — it’s true for IDEs, it’s true for word processors, and it’s a place where wikis have traditionally been fairly weak, because of their dawn in the earliest age of CGI, etc. I have the impression that perf on wiki.m.o writes has gone up, and that’s great, and we need to do more to improve perceived perf. As a thought-provoking point: editing an etherpad feels 100x faster to me (even if it’s obviously different). | ||
* we need to encourage, train, and recognize & herald wiki gardeners. (Matt Thompson for example is doing a _stellar_ job of doing that and teaching others how to do that for Webmaker content). | * we need to encourage, train, and recognize & herald wiki gardeners. (Matt Thompson for example is doing a _stellar_ job of doing that and teaching others how to do that for Webmaker content). | ||
: -- Agreed, and already part of our discussions in the Wiki Working Group. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
* there’s a lot about wikimedia which feels hasn’t really kept up with our collective expectations around authoring environments. Case sensitivity of pages; wikimedia markup in general, clunky authoring environments, etc. There may be more configuration tweaks & add-ons that we could deploy, I’m not an expert there. | * there’s a lot about wikimedia which feels hasn’t really kept up with our collective expectations around authoring environments. Case sensitivity of pages; wikimedia markup in general, clunky authoring environments, etc. There may be more configuration tweaks & add-ons that we could deploy, I’m not an expert there. | ||
: -- Some of this is due to technical debt due to neglect on our end and will get better with time as we bring things more up to date now that we have a dedicate resource working on the wiki. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
* the default skin is way better than it used to be and the pages are less painful to my eye anyway than before — we can still do more. | * the default skin is way better than it used to be and the pages are less painful to my eye anyway than before — we can still do more. | ||
: Indeed. We're planning to roll out an updated theme this year, one that is compatible with more recent version of MW. | |||
* having someone act as a product manager for wiki.m.o (and for example care and measure things like daily actives, etc. as a metric of utility of the wiki to the org) would be good — anyone can do that, and I and many others would be happy to coach that person on how to be a product manager with a soul if that coaching was desired. | * having someone act as a product manager for wiki.m.o (and for example care and measure things like daily actives, etc. as a metric of utility of the wiki to the org) would be good — anyone can do that, and I and many others would be happy to coach that person on how to be a product manager with a soul if that coaching was desired. | ||
: -- As module owner, I'm also acting as product manager. Happy to have any mentoring you're willing to offer. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
* there are people with wiki.m.o superpowers, and we should figure out how to get those superpowers more evenly distributed. [and make it so that some of the things those folks can do don’t require super-anything] | * there are people with wiki.m.o superpowers, and we should figure out how to get those superpowers more evenly distributed. [and make it so that some of the things those folks can do don’t require super-anything] | ||
: -- Indeed, part of the wiki-gardening too. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
* there’s an obvious elephant-in-the-room about wiki.m.o vs. Mana and why we need two. That duality doesn’t bug me too much, but I know it bugs others. Understanding the reason why people use one or the other feels like a good thing to get shared understanding of, even if not everyone will agree w/ the specific decisions. | * there’s an obvious elephant-in-the-room about wiki.m.o vs. Mana and why we need two. That duality doesn’t bug me too much, but I know it bugs others. Understanding the reason why people use one or the other feels like a good thing to get shared understanding of, even if not everyone will agree w/ the specific decisions. | ||
: -- There needs to be two separate wikis because MoCo needs a resource to store privileged information that can't be public. Mediawiki does that very poorly and recommends that people setup a separate wiki if there is truly privileged information that needs to be separate. We might be able to achieve the same thing if we switched to a confluence-only setup, but that would remove ownership from the Mozilla community, to which I think there are huge downsides. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
[[User:DavidA|DavidA]] ([[User talk:DavidA|talk]]) 16:10, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | [[User:DavidA|DavidA]] ([[User talk:DavidA|talk]]) 16:10, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
: This is good feedback but not related to the about page. I think Christine wanted feedback about the About page [[User:Karlcow|Karlcow]] ([[User talk:Karlcow|talk]]) 16:12, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | : This is good feedback but not related to the about page. I think Christine wanted feedback about the About page [[User:Karlcow|Karlcow]] ([[User talk:Karlcow|talk]]) 16:12, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
:: This is true. I've answered DavidA's comments inline. If there aren't any objections, I'll move his comments and the associated responses to this [[Contribute/Education/Wiki_Working_Group/Sandbox | Sandbox]] we have for collecting feedback. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | |||
'''DavidB's comments''': Just one thing that occurred to me was around possibly needing to add an additional part to the section of who owns different parts of the wiki. There are some pages, like the main page, where the content isn't open for anyone to edit. I'm not entirely sure who can edit the main page or how I could become one of those people if I wanted to. It might be worth having a 'protected content' item to call that out. | '''DavidB's comments''': Just one thing that occurred to me was around possibly needing to add an additional part to the section of who owns different parts of the wiki. There are some pages, like the main page, where the content isn't open for anyone to edit. I'm not entirely sure who can edit the main page or how I could become one of those people if I wanted to. It might be worth having a 'protected content' item to call that out. | ||
: Noted. I'll add something about protected pages. We don't yet have documentation on the process for becoming a user with administrative rights, nor have we audited our current user lists to see if they still make sense. Would you be okay moving forward with this policy while we are still figuring that out? Once we do, we can update it with a link to the appropriate information. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:26, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | : Noted. I'll add something about protected pages. We don't yet have documentation on the process for becoming a user with administrative rights, nor have we audited our current user lists to see if they still make sense. Would you be okay moving forward with this policy while we are still figuring that out? Once we do, we can update it with a link to the appropriate information. [[User:Ckoehler|Christie Koehler (ckoehler)]] ([[User talk:Ckoehler|talk]]) 16:26, 9 May 2014 (PDT) | ||