SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-12-01

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

• Time: December 01, 2009, 13:00 UTC
• Location: #seamonkey IRC channel

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? -> Ratty

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

• KaiRo to add to the known issues page additional items from the SeaMonkey 2.0 Final/Feedback section from the previous meeting.
• Ratty to draft out some messages to encourage extension authors to make their extensions compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0. Once the Council approves them, we can forward to AMO for spammingdissemination. The messages should target two groups:
  • Existing SeaMonkey extensions that haven't been upgraded to 2.0.
  • Firefox and Thunderbird extension authors encouraging them to make their extensions compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.
  • Ratty filed AMO bug 527919 for this. Once the messages are approved, they should be forwarded to AMO and they will take care of sending these out to extension developers.

OPEN

• Get permission from Google to use their geolocation JSON service [KaiRo]. Contact at Google says: "We don't have a good estimate for when GLS will be opening up more broadly, but I will be sure to let you know when we take that step. Sorry that I can not be more specific at this time." - We can only wait right now.
  • KaiRo emailed Google again more than 8 weeks ago and again 5 weeks ago, no reply yet, even though the MoCo geolocation contact has poked the Google contact as well.

CLOSED

SeaMonkey 2.0 Final

• Shipped on October 27!
• 167 fixed-seamonkey2.0 bugs (all post 2.0b2)!
• Pushed venkman perf hit and GetDefaultReader to 2.0.1.
• 2.0 has 19 official languages including en-US, as well as a beta/unofficial Turkish version (requested by localizer due to incomplete L10n). More to come for 2.0.1.
• What are we going to do with regards to 1.9.1.6?
  • 2.0.1 will be based on 1.9.1.6 now as 1.9.1.5 was a crash-fixer released on Thursday 5th November, and KaiRo did not have enough time to generate a release that week.
  • Firefox is in slushy code freeze and is on schedule for a mid-December release.
• Feedback
  • Many positive messages.
  • Also many posts with problems, a few common threads among those:
    • Failure to launch when installed over 1.x - can we do something with removed-files? Ratty has filed bug 526202 on this issue.
      • Components dumped by extensions into the application/components/ directory are definitely a problem.
    • Some things already mentioned in Known Issues.
    • Profile migration failures - not sure how to diagnose these. Things like missing all passwords in migration are strange, but hard to debug especially if we don't have access to the users system.
    • The migration experience for people with multiple profiles is sub-optimal and we need to find some way of making this better.
    • Quicklaunch from SeaMonkey 1.1.x still enabled, need to see if it's possible/wanted to disable Quicklaunch during SeaMonkey 2 setup (should not be that difficult). IanN keep an eye on this issue (bug 526204).
    • The new Password and Form Managers seem to be hard for people to grasp, do we need docs on those so we can point people to them? BenoitRen to file a bug and to contact people who can potentially help to do the documentation. There is an existing bug, bug 463903 for form autocomplete.
      • One immediate issue is for a form history editor to edit/delete incorrect entries. There is a Form History Manager extension for SeaMonkey 2.0 that can do this. But we need this as a native function of SeaMonkey for a better user experience. Perhaps we can use that extension as a starting point. We can make use of an existing bug (bug 480734) to track a native Forms editor.
    • For some users cut&paste isn't working for some Windows 7 users. Specifically, nothing gets pasted (bug 525601.
      • This has been traced to the McAfee Site Advisor component of the McAfee Internet Security Suite (also shipped with other McAfee products and with Yahoo security suites that are rebranded McAfee). A regression range has been identified (2007110103/2007103102). This regression range corresponds to a similar cut and paste problem in Thunderbird 3.0a but not involving McAfee.
      • The McAfee techs would like a developer from the SeaMonkey side to assist them in tracking down the problem. Do we have someone with the required skillset? Perhaps Neil.
    • Some users upgrading from 1.1 who never used a master password are now being prompted at every startup for a (non-existent) password. In 1.1 it was possible to set a master password but not use it if the preferences were set that way. Some users might have accidentally set a master password and forgot about it and this could have been migrated to the 2.0 profile. Unfortunately in 2.0 if a master password is set then it is used.
    • We seem to have accidentally migrated from 1.1 all the "browser.toolbars.showbutton.*" preferences when we shouldn't. The most common case appears to be the home button. Our button pref listener are still active because of the Go and Search buttons in the URL bar.
      • Ratty to file a bug to fix or workaround the problem in 2.0.1 for already migrated profiles. Also possibly get someone to look at the profile migrator code to not migrate these preferences.

SeaMonkey 2.0.1

• Should be released in sync with Firefox 3.5.6, currently scheduled for December 15.
• How ready are we for it?

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 57 new, 17 fixed, 29 triaged.

• High rate of new bugs immediately after 2.0 release but declining.
• Fixing rate down as we all take a breath after this.
• Triage rate down from 58 at last meeting.

Major wanted/needed features:

2.0.x

• bug 423281 Help updates.
  • Status/Progress?
• bug 483282 Make sure normal SeaMonkey use doesn't pay a price for having venkman installed.
  • Needs at least a core patch landing for 1.9.1.6 (.5 will be a short-cycle crash-fixing update) bug 364864 nsICategoryManager::deleteCategoryEntry does not persist outside of component registration.
  • Progress/Status?
• bug 471346 Port GetDefaultFeedReader to SeaMonkey shell service. New patch needed.
  • New patch needed.

2.1

• bug 460953 kill-rdf port [sgautherie]
  • Status/Progress?
• bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
  • SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
• bug 410613 OpenSearch. helpwanted.
  • We need to check if OpenSearch can support all our existing functionality, for example the INTEPRETS section in Sherlock search plugins. Mnyromyr will check on that, and on how extensible the Firefox code is.
• bug 449728 drag tabs between windows
  • unowned so far.
• bug 498596 places bookmarks
  • unowned so far.
• bug 477845 Build a standalone (Gecko 1.9.1) Composer
  • Will look into that once KompoZer 0.8 is done.
• bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer
  • Will look into that once KompoZer 0.8 are done.
• bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set
  • status/progress?
  • A list of TODO icons is up in the bug
  • Still needs quite a bit of work.
  • bug 522023 is working on improving the browser globe in task icons, etc..
• bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
  • unowned so far.
• bug 521927 Make Search, Folder Location and Views widgets for MailNews customizable toolbars.
  • Status/Progress?

We also should take a look at the other items on wanted-seamonkey2.1+

Roundtable

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

• Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
• Bugs waiting approval for 1.9.1.x
  • bug 525373 Make customizable toolbars play nicely with children with disabled attributes (toolkit)
  • bug 510920 Sync to breakpad revision 350 for breakpad fix 248, 10.5+ SDK compat
• Working on:
  • bug 439134 "Customize toolbars" window a bit too small on linux - cuts off the "Restore defaults" button - waiting for reviews.
  • bug 515967 Add icons to addressbook menulist in Search Addresses.
  • bug 519133 Newsgroup list in Message Filters Dialog has blank entry and extra separator.
  • bug 521927 Make Search, Folder Location and Views widgets for MailNews customizable toolbars - waiting for reviews.
  • bug 529647 Make Search and Go buttons widgets for Browser customizable toolbars - waiting for review but new patch needed.

KaiRo

• Just back from vacation, not much to tell yet. working large backlog this week
• As always, my blog has more detailed status about my work.

mcsmurf

• 
  Helping out in the Mozillazine SeaMonkey Support forum ;)

Ratty

• Filed AMO bug 527919 (Obtain a list of extension author email addresses so that the SeaMonkey Council can mass mail them) on behalf of KaiRo and monitoring it.
• Bug triage and Bug discussions including:
  • Tracking McAfee issue with bug 525601 Copy and cut (clipboard) functions do not work in SM 2.0.
• AgitProp and PR in http://forums.mozillazine.org/
• Answering questions in the Mozillazine SeaMonkey Support forum.

Standard8

• See Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2009-11-24#Standard8.
• See Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2009-12-01#Standard8.

Any other business?

• EOL date for SeaMonkey 1.1?
  • The plans for Gecko 1.8 are rather murky at the moment. KaiRo will probably try to get a clearer view when a 1.8.1.24 will be prepared possibly in December.