SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-03-29

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

• Time: 29 March, 2016, 12:00 UTC
  • (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
  • European Summer Time in effect, thus moving one hour ahead UTC
• Location: #seamonkey IRC channel
• Further Read: Basics
• Participants (in order of appearance):

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? -> Ratty
• Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
  • Rainer Bielefeld

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

• Google api key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
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OPEN

• IanN to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
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CLOSED

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Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

• Notes:
  • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be until January at earliest any time soon.
  • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
  • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. frg 03/27: moot point to do it. m-c switched to VS2015 via tooltool on 03/25. See my section.
  • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
  • Even en-US builds have stopped again. The latest trunk nightlies were 2.45a1 dated 8-Mar-2016 for W32, L32 & L64, and 2.43a1 dated 6-Jan-2016 for Mac. ** bug 1083689
  • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
• [29th March 2016]
  • [comm-central]
    • Linux*: busted because we need to update our GCC to version 4.8.5 this has been fixed in bug 1260099 and bug 1190773, and nightlies have been published on 2016-04-25.
    • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362.
  • [comm-aurora, comm-beta]
    • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362.
• See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

• SeaMonkey 2.40 is out.
• We are skipping SeaMonkey 2.41
• Currently planning for 2.42.

Previously on Buffy The Vampire Slayer:

• IanN suggests we should follow the Thunderbird release model, doing releases off the ESR-* branch but also the occasional comm-beta "release". L10N Translations might be problematic however rsx11m says using ESR would be "safer" with regard to more stability on releases and not having to cope immediately with bustages from mozilla side, but may require some "deal" to get l10n-relevant minor patches into the releases before the next ESR branch is coming. If you have a patch that applies cleanly from comm-beta to comm-esr45, translations should be done already (of course, that's just simple patches such as label changes or adding a checkbox). rsx11m would go with {comm,mozilla}-esr45 and merge any "safe" patches from comm-beta but that may need some talking to l10n if string changes are involved.
• Adriank thinks we need an *own* build infra separate from MoCo. What is needed is a buildbot (Adrian use Jenkins), a Windows, Linux, and OSX virtual machine.
• Chatzilla locale generation: Frg fixed in bug 1210791. Need to investigate why the l10n xpi isn't being added into the installer.

• SeaMonkey 2.40 final (tracking bug 1233615) was partially released March 14, 2016
  • Updating failed. Ewong has rectified this issue.
    • Seems to work now according to reports from Mozillazine.
• Next merges are scheduled for April 18 (beta → release: April 11).
  • comm-release default is now on SM 2.42.
  • comm-release and mozilla-release are now on 45.0.
  • comm-esr45 and mozilla-esr45 are now current.
• Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

• See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
• Addon Compatibility Listings (outdated), altertative list started (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
• Lightning betas are up for 2.40, 2.41, and 2.42.
• We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
• Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
  This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
  • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
  • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
  • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
  • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
• The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
  • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
  • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
  • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
  • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
• Venkman is retired. Venkman is being removed from current aurora.
  • The replacement for Venkman is the V2 debugger in the Firefox Devtools. Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running in SeaMonkey. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

• SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at https://dataviz.mozilla.org Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
  • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on seamonkey-projects.org or https://dev.seamonkey.at
  • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
  • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption bug 1173006.
• See Basics page for the usual reminders.

2.40

open tracking (0) tracking requests (6) targeted (2) fixed (14)

• SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes

2.Next

• We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
  • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
  • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
• Stalled. Needs a kick.
  • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
  • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
• Current breakages:
  • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla. To be fixed in bug 1210791 [checkin-needed]
• Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
  • Introduction of a cloud-based certificate revocation list system for blocklists bug 1227956. rsx11m has a patch in bug 1259947 mirroring TB changes (bug 1248557 and friends).
  • Changes to Safe Browsing. Frg has a patch ready for check-in in bug 1250600 .
  • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
    • already affected: config.xul for about:config, Will be fixed in SeaMonkey bug 1222816.
    • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743.
    • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
    • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
    • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
      • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
  • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
  • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
    • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
  • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
  • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
    • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
  • We've picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
    • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
    • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
• bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
  • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
  • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 36 new, 6 fixed, 6 triaged.

• good triaging effort, Rainer Bielefeld has been busy filing and verifying bugs.

Open reviews/flags: 64 review 5 super-review 1 ui-review 12 feedback

• See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
• TODO:
  • The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
    • Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked inbug 1243203.
  • Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in bug 1258226
    • Also see SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO
  • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
    • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
    • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
• Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • discussions in mozilla.governance, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, tb-planning, blog.lizardwrangler.com
  • unclear at this time what "separating the infrastructure" means
  • likely goes hand-in-hand with planned reduction of key features and future deprecation of the Gecko rendering engine
• Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
  • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
    • If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
    • No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported
    • No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since
    • Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
    • See bsmedberg's post #14, targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).
    • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
    • removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned

• What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official" ? — Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
  • On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
  • How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
  • Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 "System Requirements page needs update"?)
  • [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

• Working On:
  • bug 1190773 - backend change for tooltool process to support the new tooltool repo.
  • bug 1260993 - change our Linux* builders to use gcc 4.8.5.
  • waiting to see if the 'fix' for the 2.39 to 2.40 update for Win64 clients work.

frg

Waiting for review:

• bug 1055954 popup exceptions are not added. Please review and let me know if it's ok. Contains string changes.
• bug 1188348 data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords. Contains string changes and hopefully will not miss the next cycle. I am done here and any changes will be need to put in new bugs.
• bug 1251368 SeaMonkey cookie code needs to be updated to take into account mozilla-central bug 1245184. Might work without checking bug 1188348 in first but not tested. 2.44 and up affected.
• bug 1250600 Update Safebrowsing in SeaMonkey for recent changes in Firefox. Follow up bug of bug 920951 Update SeaMonkey Safebrowsing preferences to sync with Mozilla-Central. Old SeaMonkey API key does no longer work but the lists are downloaded. Ratty found out that Google throttles in this case.
• bug 1210791 Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in ChatZilla. ChatZilla l10n xpi will be ok afterwards for c-r and up.

Working on:

• bug 1258226 Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state.
• bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds. Will be a mood point if above bug is accepted.

Titbits:

• c-r and up should build now out of the box. bug 1258206 is in as a successor for bug 1167346 comm-aurora builds are not building due to DOMi and ChatZilla pulling from revisions earlier.... It still needs to be checked into c-c so that the next merge won't break it again.

Other things on my mind:

• SeaMonkey needs reviewers. Ratty is not SuperRatty and can do it alone :)
• --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
• Alternate distribution path for SeaMonkey should be evaluated. It still builds and works fine but without builds in the hands of users doesn't make much sense.
• SeaMonkey compiles fine under VS2015 Update 2 RC with Windows 10 SDK. x86 builds produced here still works fine under Windows XP SP3. x64 build is stable for daily use in my eyes (same with VS2013).
• m-c switched to VS2015 Update 1 and Windows 10 SDK on 03/25/2016!
• bug 1244467 Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by bug 1210791
• Aero Peek is broken in c-b and up see bug 1256714. I didn't find something which could have caused this. Got it back briefly yesterday in 2.45a1 so might be e10s related (something asynchronous timing out?).
• When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug?

Comment: I am working on this problem. We have lots of UNCONFIRMED Bugs, many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them Core half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- Rrbd (talk) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)

Some more precise statistics here in the unofficial blog. -- Rrbd (talk) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)

IanN

• Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
• Fixed:
  • bug 1252308 Update en-GB for Gecko 45
  • bug 1256986 Update en-GB for Gecko 46
  • bug 1259105 [en-GB] Remove Venkman l10n files
  • bug 1260015 Update en-GB for Gecko 47
  • bug 1260017 [en-GB]traveled/traveling is misspelt in pippki.properties
• Fixed for c-c:
• Fixed for m-c:
• Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
• Pending tree opening:
• Pending approval for check in:
• Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
  • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
• Checked in pending review:
• Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 - Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
  • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
• Fixing review comments before checkin:
  • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
  • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
• Working on:
  • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
  • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 - Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
  • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
  • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
  • Various SM Council documents.
  • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
  • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
  • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
  • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
  • File/Folder selection in windows.
• To Do:
  • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
  • Prefs-in-a-tab.
  • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
  • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.

Ratty

Fixed:

• bug 1235805 Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images (bug 1048048) Use the loading document's principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal (bug 1119386) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.
• bug 1255354 Create options to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab.
• bug 1255538 Fix trailing \whitespace and \tabs in tasksOverlay.js.
• bug 1257348 GCLI close button disappears when hover [Devtools].
• bug 1258161 XML parsing error in omni.ja!/chrome/toolkit/content/global/netError.xhtml [Toolkit].
• bug 1254987 Fix comm-central fallout from |bug 1254410 Include app-specific configure files according to --enable-application/--enable-project|

Waiting for review:

• bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.
• bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
• In Progress:
• TODO:
• bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.
• bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
• bug 1116223 Thunderbird: Move overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.

Other stuff:

• Did some reviews and approvals.
• Bug triage and Bug discussions.
• Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Pushed to comm-central:

• bug 851898 Zoom will not go past 300%, used to be able to zoom to +/-800%.
• bug 1251874 Allow modification of minimum/maximum zoom levels in Content preference pane.
• bug 1258295 Remove remnants of Security Policies preferences pane.
• bug 1259422 Re-order entities in preferences.dtd to match Preferences dialog and remove unused strings.

Posted WIP patch:

• bug 1259947 Investigate support of OneCRL in SeaMonkey.

Filed:

• bug 1260315 Make modification of minimum/maximum zoom levels effective immediately in already opened windows.
• bug 1256660 Donation link on "Development" page needs to point to the new "Donate" page.

May need retargeting:

• bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

• Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
• Got level-3 commit access now! bug 1257034.
• End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

• Daylight Saving Time in Northern America started on March 13; then Summer Time in Europe on March 27; winter time on 3 April in NZ and some parts of Australia; no clock change in East and South Asia; etc.
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